Motorcycle: $290 nail finds new home

[Trav]

This caught my eye.

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Finally, we spoke to a UK insurance company on whether fitting a car tyre on a motorcycle would affect any claims. The spokesman said "Such a change to the standard specification of the motorcycle would require prior approval from the insurance company otherwise the policy would be invalidated. In the event of an accident, the rider would lose the right to claim on the insurance. Under current UK law, the insurance company would be obliged to pay third party claims if the motorcycle rider was at fault but the insurance company would rigorously pursue subsequent compensation from the rider at fault


That alone I would think should discourage the practice.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
I don't see how you can say the guy is lying,


So...have you not read what he posted, or did you not understand it? He is regurgitating the same tired old "all darksiders only do it to save money," garbage, despite being corrected repeatedly.

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...he has the U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association and tire experts in full agreement. Not only is the practice illegal in many places but your insurance may not pay leaving you to carry the full cost and reimburse the insurance company for every penny paid out. This sounds like a risky practice I personally wouldn't even consider on any bike.

http://trafficsafe.org/index.php/trafficsafe-investigates-riding-on-the-dark-side-1683/


So...you must be able to show some EVIDENCE that insurance (in the United States) will not pay, then? Not hearsay, not articles from Europe, not something your wife's brother's best friend's sister's hairdresser heard from her cousin, actual HARD FACTS?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
This caught my eye.

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Finally, we spoke to a UK insurance company on whether fitting a car tyre on a motorcycle would affect any claims. The spokesman said "Such a change to the standard specification of the motorcycle would require prior approval from the insurance company otherwise the policy would be invalidated. In the event of an accident, the rider would lose the right to claim on the insurance. Under current UK law, the insurance company would be obliged to pay third party claims if the motorcycle rider was at fault but the insurance company would rigorously pursue subsequent compensation from the rider at fault


That alone I would think should discourage the practice.


I might care one whit...if I were in the UK. I'm not, so it is not relevant and hasn't been since 1776.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by 02SE
Originally Posted by Trav
I don't see how you can say the guy is lying, he has the U.S. Tire Manufacturers Association and tire experts in full agreement. Not only is the practice illegal in many places but your insurance may not pay leaving you to carry the full cost and reimburse the insurance company for every penny paid out. This sounds like a risky practice I personally wouldn't even consider on any bike.

http://trafficsafe.org/index.php/trafficsafe-investigates-riding-on-the-dark-side-1683/


I just keep hoping that common sense will prevail.

I especially appreciated this part in that link:

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Since the US online tire retailer had quoted a Michelin car tire as an "ideal example" of what to use on a motorcycle, we spoke to Michelin directly and showed them the YouTube video. Michelin had this to say:

"Using a car tyre in the way illustrated in the video could result in rapid deterioration in the shoulder and sidewall area due to the abnormal flexing which the tyre will undergo, and so in our opinion running car tyres on two wheel motorcycles should be strongly discouraged."


Except that millions of miles of actual real-world use has shown that simply does not happen.

 

[02SE]

LOL.

Trav, He doesn't want to listen to actual tire engineers, or those like me who have tried car tires on bikes, and know the limitations they present, and the danger those tire engineers know them to be in the application. Or common sense.

It all makes sense now, you're running car tires on your Harley, right Jarl?

Keep saving money on tires, Jarl. Maybe you'll get that challenger yet.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The engineers say exactly what the lawyers tell them to, no more and no less. Their words are not their own.

I listen to those who actually have done it...many of them long-distance riders, including but not limited to several Iron Butt riders. (I recall about half the IBR bikes are darksided.) I do not have a car tire on my Sportster...no real need, since the stock tire is fine for the weight. (Next tire will be a bit taller, though-I have to lose a few RPMs.) Not sure I could if I wanted to...a wider tire won't fit. (Hits the belt.)

 

[geeman789]

Interesting video ... NOTE: The tire is asymmetric, which maybe isn't the best choice for a motorcycle.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted by 02SE
LOL.

Trav, He doesn't want to listen to actual tire engineers, or those like me who have tried car tires on bikes, and know the limitations they present, and the danger those tire engineers know them to be in the application. Or common sense.

It all makes sense now, you're running car tires on your Harley, right Jarl?

Keep saving money on tires, Jarl. Maybe you'll get that challenger yet.


From everything I have read I wouldn't want to mess with a car tire on a MC, I trust the many experts and tire manufacturers findings especially when the conclusions are unanimous.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
Originally Posted by 02SE
LOL.

Trav, He doesn't want to listen to actual tire engineers, or those like me who have tried car tires on bikes, and know the limitations they present, and the danger those tire engineers know them to be in the application. Or common sense.

It all makes sense now, you're running car tires on your Harley, right Jarl?

Keep saving money on tires, Jarl. Maybe you'll get that challenger yet.


From everything I have read I wouldn't want to mess with a car tire on a MC, I trust the many experts and tire manufacturers findings especially when the conclusions are unanimous.

They're not. Yet again, the engineers say exactly what the lawyers tell them to, no more and no less. Their words are not their own.

 

[Trav]

That makes no sense, I cant see what the motivation would be for them to dissuade the practice, there is nothing to be gained. This article sums it up for me and makes total sense.
If you want to ride on a car tire that's your business but IMHO its not something to be promoted as a alternative to using proper tires,

https://ridermagazine.com/2016/05/20/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles/

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
That makes no sense, I cant see what the motivation would be for them to dissuade the practice, there is nothing to be gained. This article sums it up for me and makes total sense.
If you want to ride on a car tire that's your business but IMHO its not something to be promoted as a alternative to using proper tires,

https://ridermagazine.com/2016/05/20/tales-from-the-dark-side-putting-car-tires-on-motorcycles/

Reread what you quoted.

 

[Trav]

I think you need to read the article. This is very clear, if you choose to ignore it that's on you but nothing you or anyone else can say could ever convince me to run a car tire regardless of what type of bike it is.

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The bottom line? The manufacturers, engineers and safety experts I spoke with all said the same thing; riders need to realize that this is not a good idea. The Motorcycle Industry Council puts it more directly, "Never mount a passenger car tire on a motorcycle rim; the flat profile of a car tire is incompatible with the dynamics of a vehicle that leans as it corners, and the section of the tire in contact with the rim (the ‘bead') is incompatible with motorcycle rims." A motorcycle calls for a tire that was developed to be a specialist in single-track vehicle dynamics. Dare I suggest that it's not unlike the way brain surgery calls for a specialist in neurology. Would you turn to a gastroenterologist for that procedure because he or she has a lower hourly rate than a neurosurgeon? Both may be experts, outstanding in their respective fields, but neither would be a wise choice to fill the other's role. As motorcyclists, we have need for a specialist: the one that was developed specifically for the demands of motorcycling.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I read the article 3+ years ago. It is a mix of wild speculation and worthless CYA. Yet again, at least the third time: the engineers say exactly what the lawyers tell them to, no more and no less. Their words are not their own.

 

[Trav]

You can repeat that argument 20 times but it doesn't make it correct but you seem to have convinced yourself even if no one else is so be happy.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
You can repeat that argument 20 times but it doesn't make it correct but you seem to have convinced yourself even if no one else is so be happy.

Actually, many people are quite convinced...the tens of thousands of people having ridden millions of miles on darksided bikes.

 

[Trav]

400 people jumped off the Golden gate bridge last year, I am not about to follow them because they thought it was a great idea. Just sayin.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Originally Posted by Trav
400 people jumped off the Golden gate bridge last year, I am not about to follow them because they thought it was a great idea. Just sayin.

Troll post.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Originally Posted by Trav
400 people jumped off the Golden gate bridge last year, I am not about to follow them because they thought it was a great idea. Just sayin.

Troll post.


Yep in 2018 a total of 27 did.

 

[Trav]

You are correct, I read something else but just read this...

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To date, more than 1,700 people are known to have killed themselves by jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge, including at least 27 in 2018


Still, 27 people thought it was a great idea.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted by Jarlaxle
Originally Posted by Trav
400 people jumped off the Golden gate bridge last year, I am not about to follow them because they thought it was a great idea. Just sayin.

Troll post.


The only troll in this thread is you peddling that absolute crap. That's your only answer to that comment regardless of how many people or even how many kill themselves doing whatever they think is a great idea eh?