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Supertech vs OEM #5195703 08/24/19 07:05 PM
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I was bored so I decided to hack apart an OEM Honda oil filter and a Supertech 6607 since that’s what Walmart recommends for my wife’s 2013 Honda Fit. I can’t believe the filter media size difference! Not sure I would use that small of a filter for any car!

Last picture is the Supertech filter recommended for my 2009 Corolla. Much better quality! OEM filter for comparison.

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2013 Honda Fit, QSUD 0W20 with Honda filters
2009 Toyota Corolla, PP 0W20 with Toyota filters
Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5195714 08/24/19 07:18 PM
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I bought one of the ST10358 filters like yours, but haven't used it yet. The end caps and construction appear identical to Fram Extra Guard 10358 (although media might differ). Center holes of the end caps are a snug fit on the center tube of my spare cap.


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1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
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Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: CR94] #5195725 08/24/19 07:27 PM
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The only difference I see between the Fram and Supertech 10358 are the size of the plastic endcaps


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2009 Toyota Corolla, PP 0W20 with Toyota filters
Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5195736 08/24/19 07:38 PM
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The PH7317 is basically the same as an A02, so use that smile

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Wal-Mart does not make a 7317 equivalent, they use the 6607 for both 6607 and 7317 applications.

Try a Baldwin B1431 or Hastings LF486, they are four inches long, verses three and a half for the 7317...

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Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5195829 08/24/19 10:08 PM
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You could also use a ST9688.

Seems the 7317 is a dying size. Many oil change shops consolidated filters, and use the 6607 for many applications (6607, 7317, 9688, 3693a).
Although the 6607 is smaller, there has been nothing to show that the smaller filter causes any issues.


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'18 Soul: Synpower 5W-30/PG
'10 Santa Fe: Synpower 5w-30/D+
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'12 xB: M1EP 0W-20/CQ Blue
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Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5195932 08/25/19 05:03 AM
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…..Seems the 7317 is a dying size....
In quick lube, indie, jobber tier filters (like ST), consolidation of 7317 for cost savings seems to be the rule. However as long as the vehicle manufacturers including Honda use it as the spec size, imo I don't believe 7317 application size availability is going away. Unlike the jobbers, the aftermarket still is going to try an offer equivalent to spec size applications. But as noted, the shorty 6607 is frequently used now as substitute for the 7317 and even the 9688 size. It is also the spec size on many/most Nissans.

As for using the 9688 size, many/most newer Honda and Nissan now have diameter restriction of some sort that make using the wider filter (used on older Honda) a no go. 7317 size is the biggest that can be used. While I agree the 6607 size acceptable to use, personally if 7317 or wider 9688 application is spec, using them would be my preference.

Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5196063 08/25/19 08:27 AM
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Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

Well the Honda is basically a Fram ExtraGard in a blue can, so should be 95.7% @ 20 microns.
Supertech says on the box 99% @ 30 microns (but similar Champ made filters say 90% or 93% @ 20 microns).

The Supertech is advertised as a 10,000 mile filter.
Honda is by the OLM, which seems is around 8,000 miles (do they still recommend a filter change every other oil change?).


'18 Santa Fe: PP 10W-30/OEM
'18 Soul: Synpower 5W-30/PG
'10 Santa Fe: Synpower 5w-30/D+
'04 F150: Magnatec 10w-30/ST
'12 xB: M1EP 0W-20/CQ Blue
'02 F150: Magnatec 5W-20/D+
'94 VT1100: Peak 15W-40/D+
Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: blupupher] #5196227 08/25/19 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

Well the Honda is basically a Fram ExtraGard in a blue can, so should be 95.7% @ 20 microns.
Supertech says on the box 99% @ 30 microns (but similar Champ made filters say 90% or 93% @ 20 microns).

The Supertech is advertised as a 10,000 mile filter.
Honda is by the OLM, which seems is around 8,000 miles (do they still recommend a filter change every other oil change?).

What's the typical sump size for these filters? I wasn't aware ST made a 10k filter. I don't shop them as they don't make one for my ride. Anywho.. the filter has to meet OE spec for flow and efficiency, so I don't see what the issue is here. I have to believe tend of thousands of cars have logged millions of miles on that can without issues. As they say, size isn't everything.😂

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Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Bettez88] #5196249 08/25/19 12:55 PM
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The smaller size has been what always shied me away from using ST oil filters but will reconsider them in the future (if I ever run out of MC, Fram, and Federated oil filters, lol). I can get a Fram for $3.75, a MC for about $4 each, an ST for $3, and a Federated for $2.17.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Luke
The smaller size has been what always shied me away from using ST oil filters but will reconsider them in the future (if I ever run out of MC, Fram, and Federated oil filters, lol). I can get a Fram for $3.75, a MC for about $4 each, an ST for $3, and a Federated for $2.17.

At those prices it's not like spending the addtl .75c on the Fram is gonna change your way of life. But nice to know you've got so many good options at really good prices.👍 (no need to buy bulk from RA to get great pricing)

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Re: Supertech vs OEM [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5196455 08/25/19 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

Well the Honda is basically a Fram ExtraGard in a blue can, so should be 95.7% @ 20 microns.
Supertech says on the box 99% @ 30 microns (but similar Champ made filters say 90% or 93% @ 20 microns).

The Supertech is advertised as a 10,000 mile filter.
Honda is by the OLM, which seems is around 8,000 miles (do they still recommend a filter change every other oil change?).

What's the typical sump size for these filters? I wasn't aware ST made a 10k filter. I don't shop them as they don't make one for my ride. Anywho.. the filter has to meet OE spec for flow and efficiency, so I don't see what the issue is here. I have to believe tend of thousands of cars have logged millions of miles on that can without issues. As they say, size isn't everything.😂


That's interesting as no one knows the flow and efficiency of most OE filters except the OE. So any aftermarket filter can say we meet the specs, because it's only for specs that exist. Like size of thread, bypass yes or no and psi, adbv yes or no, size of can. etc.

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Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

Well the Honda is basically a Fram ExtraGard in a blue can, so should be 95.7% @ 20 microns.
Supertech says on the box 99% @ 30 microns (but similar Champ made filters say 90% or 93% @ 20 microns).

The Supertech is advertised as a 10,000 mile filter.
Honda is by the OLM, which seems is around 8,000 miles (do they still recommend a filter change every other oil change?).

Honda still recommends a filter change every other oil change. However, I change mine every time. I have been using TG7317 on my CRV and plan to use UG7317 on my Pilot.

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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by blupupher
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Do you know what the efficiency and dirt holding capacity of each is? And isn't a yellow media a synthetic and a brown cellulose? So these may be two filters meant for differing oci's. (5k v. 7.5/10k?)

Well the Honda is basically a Fram ExtraGard in a blue can, so should be 95.7% @ 20 microns.
Supertech says on the box 99% @ 30 microns (but similar Champ made filters say 90% or 93% @ 20 microns).

The Supertech is advertised as a 10,000 mile filter.
Honda is by the OLM, which seems is around 8,000 miles (do they still recommend a filter change every other oil change?).

What's the typical sump size for these filters? I wasn't aware ST made a 10k filter. I don't shop them as they don't make one for my ride. Anywho.. the filter has to meet OE spec for flow and efficiency, so I don't see what the issue is here. I have to believe tend of thousands of cars have logged millions of miles on that can without issues. As they say, size isn't everything.😂


That's interesting as no one knows the flow and efficiency of most OE filters except the OE. So any aftermarket filter can say we meet the specs, because it's only for specs that exist. Like size of thread, bypass yes or no and psi, adbv yes or no, size of can. etc.

You missed the point entirely.

Try making a filter that doesn't meet the OE spec and see how long you stay in business.😂..The ST filter is made by a reputable company that's been in business a long time, so it meets the spec - trust me.😉 But if you wanna argue about what we don't know for certain, sure.. I'm your huckleberry.😂

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