Pros and cons of Electronic Parking Brakes?

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My Lincoln LS had one(2004 m/y-2000-2002 had a conventional lever, while 03-06 used electric). It actually WASN'T silent although that's sort of splitting hairs-if you engaged it with the engine off, you could hear a subtle whir-click sound as it applied.

In 100K miles(150K on the clock) it didn't give me any notable trouble, and that was using it faithfully every time I parked. It would OCCASIONALLY throw a parking brake error if the rear pads were thin, but the error was sporadic and it would go away with a fresh set of pads. The rear brakes themselves were more or less the same as on my current MKZ, which has a conventional hand lever-both brake with the main pads rather than using drum-in-disk.

There were a handful of nice touches about the particular implementation of it that I did like. I've driven a bunch of FoMoCo products with a foot-operated parking brake from that time period and earlier(Town Cars and other panthers, Rangers, F-series trucks, vehicles on E-series chassis, Continentals) that would automatically release the brake when you put the car in drive. My LS would release it any time the transmission was put in a moving position-notably reverse. This is a small touch, but something that would often throw me off on other vehicles when I went to back out of the driveway. Also, I appreciated the fact that all it took was lifting switch and I knew it was on all the way.

On the other hand, had I actually needed to use it to stop the car in the event of a main brake failure-something which I've fortunately never had to do on any vehicle, even though I test it on every vehicle I drive regularly-I missed the fact that I didn't have any in-between control. All said and done, I'd guess it probably stopped the car faster than me holding on to a lever or pushing down on a pedal as hard as I can, but I would appreciate having a bit of control.

So, I guess, all said and done it's kind of a take it or leave it feature for me. I liked having it, but the presence or absence isn't a deal killer for me.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
The E brake works and it's less clutter.

Change is hard for some.



THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^especially on this forum.
 
Since the parking brake on nearly every vehicle I've owned that has the parking brake in the hat of the rear rotor setup stops working after about 6 years of winter salt exposure due to corrosion of all the components, I have zero issues with the electric setup.
 
In a fullsize truck I have no issue. I find it's a little slower to dis/engage since I have to wait for it to spin in/out whereas if I'm using a handle or pedal I can move faster. But the holding power is tremendous, which is probably more important to me.

I've only needed to use a handle brake as modulated e-brake twice. Once was in a 4-drum brake car in the rain, and we haven't seen that in a long, long time. The other was an '86 escort that had a leak. This could have been preventable, as it gave me warning that the brakes were having troubles the moment I backed out of my parking spot. I could have stopped right then, but I chose to drive out slowly, because I had the manual e-brake. With an electronic brake, the 4-drum situation would not have gone well. with the escort, it would have driven me down a different decision path.
 
Originally Posted by CKN
Originally Posted by PimTac
The E brake works and it's less clutter.

Change is hard for some.



THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^especially on this forum.

If your are in a sporting sedan or coupe and don't have a handbrake you are now seriously handicapped.

People who just "ride" in their cars will never understand.
 
Originally Posted by Lolvoguy
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
As a teen we perfected the J-Turn ( we called it a "reverse turn around" ) In full size Buicks and Fords.

NO Emergency Brake required.

Pretty easy to do, and the dynamics are awesome. Thank you TH400 and C6 for holding together back then

Thanks for confirming what I thought!
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What's that?
 
I know handbrakes have become more used nowadays for invoking a skid, but back in the day we'd set up the dynamics with brake, wheel and gas. Perhaps it was a little more involved but I never used the handbrake to mess around. The larger cars had footbrakes anyway, which were too clumsy.
 
With an electric e-brake, how do you get the rear of a FWD to rotate in snow or ice? Just stab the hydraulic brakes and steer? Are they, the electric e-brake versions, full on and full off like a light switch? Instant lock-up and into a ditch? Or does it activate the ABS and prevent any rear lockup ? I prefer the hand operated between the seats, you can modulate the amount of rear brake and quickly increase, decrease, or release if needed. I know the newer cars with all the electronic nannies are there to save the masses from self destruction, but now car companies are taking away another tool for the semi- competent driver. I will keep my older cars as long as I can. I will vote with my wallet. As driving skills erode for the general masses, this all ends with what, self driving cars?
 
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Originally Posted by CKN
Originally Posted by PimTac
The E brake works and it's less clutter.

Change is hard for some.



THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^especially on this forum.

If your are in a sporting sedan or coupe and don't have a handbrake you are now seriously handicapped.

People who just "ride" in their cars will never understand.

Anybody who watched on of the "Fast and Furious" movies will understand. That covers just about anybody.
 
Originally Posted by I_4
With an electric e-brake, how do you get the rear of a FWD to rotate in snow or ice? Just stab the hydraulic brakes and steer? Are they, the electric e-brake versions, full on and full off like a light switch? Instant lock-up and into a ditch? Or does it activate the ABS and prevent any rear lockup ? I prefer the hand operated between the seats, you can modulate the amount of rear brake and quickly increase, decrease, or release if needed. I know the newer cars with all the electronic nannies are there to save the masses from self destruction, but now car companies are taking away another tool for the semi- competent driver. I will keep my older cars as long as I can. I will vote with my wallet. As driving skills erode for the general masses, this all ends with what, self driving cars?




You are the only one asking these questions. Yes-keep your cars forever-you wouldn't want any new tech developed in the last decade or so.
 
Originally Posted by Yah-Tah-Hey
A simple mechanical device that won't get better with electrification. New features we just can't do without is what keeps me in a 2004 vehicle.



Exactly. It can be applied and released whether the car electrics are on or off, you can actually modulate the amount of braking done via the handbrake lever if you have this, which both my vehicles do, and indeed this CAN be very effectively used in an emergency, the electronic e brake is USELESS during any kind of regular brake failures!

That could be the difference between life and death!
 
Originally Posted by CKN
Originally Posted by I_4
With an electric e-brake, how do you get the rear of a FWD to rotate in snow or ice? Just stab the hydraulic brakes and steer? Are they, the electric e-brake versions, full on and full off like a light switch? Instant lock-up and into a ditch? Or does it activate the ABS and prevent any rear lockup ? I prefer the hand operated between the seats, you can modulate the amount of rear brake and quickly increase, decrease, or release if needed. I know the newer cars with all the electronic nannies are there to save the masses from self destruction, but now car companies are taking away another tool for the semi- competent driver. I will keep my older cars as long as I can. I will vote with my wallet. As driving skills erode for the general masses, this all ends with what, self driving cars?




You are the only one asking these questions. Yes-keep your cars forever-you wouldn't want any new tech developed in the last decade or so.




I love how some of you all try to change someone's opinion and try to tell someone they are right or wrong. How can you all tell me how something is wrong or right when I don't need or want it. Most of you seem to and that's great, I was simply saying I don't need it or want it. Everyone wants to prove their right on here and sit behind a keyboard and browbeat someone who doesn't share their opinion. Technology is a good thing to a point, but if it makes some of you feel big and tough to tell someone with an opinion that their own opinion is wrong go right ahead. I will sit back and laugh at some of you. It's truly sad people can't have different opinions..
And by the way, I will take a 2020 Corvette, SRT, Mustang GT PP2, GT3 RS, etc. all day long.
 
Both of my MB cars have them and it facilitates the "brake hold" in traffic--going to miss that in my new Rubicon. Not having the manual pedal cleans up foot space under the dash.

As for complexity during pad changes, I would argue that electronic brake pad changes are MUCH easier than cable assembly types, where many times you have to remove the cable and it is usually a bear. YMMV!!
 
as an advanced skillset driver, I don't want traction control, ABS or electric parking brakes.

Or at least I want the option to TOTALLY DISABLE these gizmos.

My lease VW cant even get the hill holder programming correct. It holds for 2 seconds after you release the clutch.

This wont do in certain situations.

Try to steer a car while sliding BACKWARDS down an icy hill and have the stupid hill holder apply E brake and throw you in a bank and ditch.

Happened and invoked rage. Subaru now VW.

&^%$ Safety Nannies!!! Trying to kill me.
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
The automatic choke upset a lot of people too.
So did the change to alternators. I know one "mechanic" that removed alternator from a Chrysler product and installed a generator along with three unit control. He didn't understand alternators or want to and those diode things only added to his dislike for rotating fields and stationary conductors. ABS was also hard for many to except. " I don't want a car that I can't lock up the brakes." I actual heard that. Same with tubeless tires,
 
Two of my cars have it and since I don't intend to rally in them, I don't mind. My biggest complain is in one car it is exactly the opposite movement to engage or disengage it - pulling the button engages the brake in one car but disengages in the other.

My sports car has a hand brake which I find to be a better fit than an electronic brake.
 
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