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Re: Gun oil article [Re: billt460] #5188606 08/16/19 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by billt460
I've found if you run an AR wet, they clean up a lot easier. Especially if you get them good and hot in the process. A lot of this is common sense. If you're hunting birds, deer, whatever, you're only going to fire a few rounds in an entire afternoon. So a lot of lubrication isn't required. And may be detrimental in very cold weather. But shooting an AR or auto pistol at the range on a hot Summer day, extra lubrication is going to be far more of a benefit than less.


I'll give you the AR point. Thing is a carbon collecting machine.
Re semiauto pistols, anyway, I've never found any of mine -- Colt, Sig, Beretta, S&W & Ruger at the moment -- difficult no matter the round count.
I generally clean with G-96, hit the slides with some very light-consistency grease -- been using Lubriplate SFL-0 lately -- and a couple drops of oil where maker recommends, and I'm done.
Matter of fact, only gun I really hate cleaning or find it a chore: Yep, the AR.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: billt460] #5191513 08/19/19 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by billt460
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.......More oil isn't better.

I've never seen a gun too oily to work, Ive seen several that were too dry to run, including a Glock. BSW



The only thing they proved is that guns in ideal conditions aren’t harmed by overlubrication. Let them drag those guns around in the dirt for a couple of days and see how well they cycle. There is absolutely such a thing as overlubrication of a gun, just like there is with an engine. It was really dumb when one of them was joking about attracting sand when they went directly from th lube bath to shooting them. Lube doesn’t “attract” sand, but a gun dripping with lube will certainly trap the dust and sand that it contacts.

There are three conditions of lubrication: over, under and correct. Strive for correct.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: CourierDriver] #5191596 08/19/19 07:49 PM
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"The only thing they proved is that guns in ideal conditions aren’t harmed by overlubrication. Let them drag those guns around in the dirt for a couple of days and see how well they cycle. There is absolutely such a thing as overlubrication of a gun, just like there is with an engine. It was really dumb when one of them was joking about attracting sand when they went directly from th lube bath to shooting them. Lube doesn’t “attract” sand, but a gun dripping with lube will certainly trap the dust and sand that it contacts. There are three conditions of lubrication: over, under and correct. Strive for correct."

Way too much sense in one place.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: bsmithwins] #5191753 08/20/19 01:23 AM
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Too much oil of any kind is a BAD thing in ANY firearm!



This is not the common wisdom in AR land.


More oil isn't better. More can be detrimental, where it can drip and lubricate the cartridge case inside the chamber, causing a failure of the cartridge case inside the chamber.

There is a sweet spot for lubrication.


I've never seen a gun too oily to work, Ive seen several that were too dry to run, including a Glock.

If you're talking about oil getting into the primer and causing a failure to fire, that can happen. Ammunition you're staking your life on should have sealed primers to prevent exactly that type of failure.

BSW


Much of the commercial ammo doesn't require primer joint sealant. Military ammo requires sealant in the casemouth and primer joint. But the issue is lubrication of the chamber and thus the case, by changing the friction, the brass case can expand too much and fail.. This is why for the military the gun experts specify the sweet spot for lubrication in the manuals


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Re: Gun oil article [Re: Elkins45] #5191789 08/20/19 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Elkins45
Let them drag those guns around in the dirt for a couple of days and see how well they cycle.

They could put them in a vice and beat them with a 12 pound sledge while they're at it. duh

Re: Gun oil article [Re: UG_Passat] #5191876 08/20/19 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by UG_Passat
...Much of the commercial ammo doesn't require primer joint sealant. Military ammo requires sealant in the casemouth and primer joint. But the issue is lubrication of the chamber and thus the case, by changing the friction, the brass case can expand too much and fail.. This is why for the military the gun experts specify the sweet spot for lubrication in the manuals



Any idea which, if any, commercial loads use sealant? I believe Federal XM193 does, correct?


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Re: Gun oil article [Re: CourierDriver] #5191884 08/20/19 08:38 AM
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I've seen seen beginners bring .22LR pistols to the Illinois concealed carry qualifier (.22s are allowed) they've either never field stripped/cleaned/lube cleaned or cleaned but then (a) oiled the whiz out of 'em or (b) not lubed at all.
Invariably, those guns start to have feed problems.
Fortunately, a quick field strip, a spritz of whatever CLP product is handy and some quick work with a toothbrush and a rag will put 'em up and running.
Also, I've seen revolvers gunked up at the crane, the latch, the ejection rod, etc. Some were in like new condition, just over "cared for" and stored poorly.
All guns aren't ARs, and some are less tolerant of improper care than others.
Gun care is not a huge hairy deal, but I think especially among beginners or the non-enthusiast, there is some apprehension about it, and they tend to use either no lube product or too much or some "wonder" solution that isn't.
There's certainly a sweet spot, IMO, and it's moderate, usually modest, lubrication.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: billt460] #5192439 08/20/19 08:34 PM
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Let them drag those guns around in the dirt for a couple of days and see how well they cycle.

They could put them in a vice and beat them with a 12 pound sledge while they're at it. duh


I’ve been shooting for close to 50 years. I have frequently carried guns in conditions where they were exposed to dirt, leaves, pollen, dust, sand, etc.

I have yet to have carried them in conditions where they were subjected to random severe impacts. Perhaps your experience has been different.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: Elkins45] #5192649 08/21/19 06:24 AM
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I’ve been shooting for close to 50 years. I have frequently carried guns in conditions where they were exposed to dirt, leaves, pollen, dust, sand, etc..

You didn't, "drag them through the dirt for a couple of days". And if all you were doing was simply trying to prove a point by being a bit over dramatic,......... So was Vickers.

Re: Gun oil article [Re: CourierDriver] #5192700 08/21/19 08:05 AM
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I have been using ATF and / or engine oil on my guns for 10 - 20 years ( I use grease on the Garand & M1A ) .

No problems . I run a new AR wet with ATF during break in . Kind of messy , the excess gets slung off , but no big deal .

If you want to get specific , engine oil is probably better in summer & ATF in winter . Due to viscosity . Although 5W-30 synthetic would probably be fine , year round .

I have read of the Russians , during WWII , thinning their gun oil ( engine oil ? ) with gasoline in the winter . Do not know if that is true ?

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