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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: rooflessVW] #5190586 08/18/19 06:08 PM
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Scamsoil trolls out in strength lately, huh?

Troll, yes. Scam,no. Agreed that the marketing is over the top but SS oil in MY opinion is the best pcmo out there.

Best in which way? Factory approvals? Race team use? In what measurable way is Amsoil "better" than anything?


Haven't you seen the charts showing it outperforms everything? LOL


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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: cwhard] #5190652 08/18/19 07:37 PM
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Regular/consistent OCI > This or that brand of oil. We all have our favourites there's no doubt, are some better than others? Yes, but it depends on what your application is. Guy in my area traded in his Corolla with a 1 million km's on it. Did he ever come to BITOG? [censored] no. He had his own driving school and maintained regular intervals for the oil changes through the dealership/stealership.

I see this site as an equivalent to the House of Wisdom that resided in Baghdad up until the Mongol Invasion. We all have our our oil, we all have our filters. Let's keep it fun. I think Amsoil is fine for those wishing for extended drain intervals, but for someone like me who changes oil every 5,000km? Forget it, not worth the membership and cost. Only product I'd consider is their diff fluid, but that too, I change every 15,000km/3 years. For those of you interested in reading and learning about something new, I have left the links below.

Corolla Article: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/glo...en-to-999999-kilometres/article23831205/

What is/was the House of Wisdom In Baghdad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Wisdom

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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: rooflessVW] #5190673 08/18/19 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rooflessVW
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Scamsoil trolls out in strength lately, huh?

Troll, yes. Scam,no. Agreed that the marketing is over the top but SS oil in MY opinion is the best pcmo out there.

Best in which way? Factory approvals? Race team use? In what measurable way is Amsoil "better" than anything?

Why scrutinize? I repeat, opinion only. If I had declared emphatically it was in fact the best oil then I would be obliged to list my reasons. Nuff said.

Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: madeej11] #5190676 08/18/19 08:15 PM
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I always love it when people say “nuff said”. Such a dismissive declaration.

But back to your statement. Sure, you said it was your opinion but surely you had some objective reasoning to come to that conclusion, so what was it? You didn’t pull your opinion out of thin air, did you?


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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: kschachn] #5190767 08/18/19 09:47 PM
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I always love it when people say “nuff said”. Such a dismissive declaration.

But back to your statement. Sure, you said it was your opinion but surely you had some objective reasoning to come to that conclusion, so what was it? You didn’t pull your opinion out of thin air, did you?

Why do I prefer Lee brand jeans over Levi's or Wrangler? Or perhaps I need to list denim weight, quality or which dye is being used c'mon. I've noticed that you always pop your head up whenever Amsoil is mentioned and it's certainly not to commend them.
Yes I know, approvals, certs whatever are not there. Then again maybe your beloved Castrol 0w40 passes minimally. Lord knows it's like pulling teeth to get any info at all. What are they hiding? Put my trust in Castrol? Not with their reputation I won't. At least the lab Amsoil uses, Southwest Research, is pretty well beyond reproach.

Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: cwhard] #5190777 08/18/19 09:59 PM
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House of wisdom recommended against xW20 in favor of a higher hths oil ... This is based on archeological evidence! However they did not favor or recommend any brand of oil since they were concerned about another war.

Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: madeej11] #5190854 08/19/19 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by madeej11
At least the lab Amsoil uses, Southwest Research, is pretty well beyond reproach.


I called SWRI years ago for confirmation of this, I heard a chuckle with "no comment". All their 'tests' with affidavits are signed by AMSOIL employees and notarized by a local notary at a local address. Nobody pays attention to this though. So much for a mystery lab, let alone SWRI


Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: madeej11] #5190859 08/19/19 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by madeej11
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I always love it when people say “nuff said”. Such a dismissive declaration.

But back to your statement. Sure, you said it was your opinion but surely you had some objective reasoning to come to that conclusion, so what was it? You didn’t pull your opinion out of thin air, did you?

Why do I prefer Lee brand jeans over Levi's or Wrangler? Or perhaps I need to list denim weight, quality or which dye is being used c'mon. I've noticed that you always pop your head up whenever Amsoil is mentioned and it's certainly not to commend them.
Yes I know, approvals, certs whatever are not there. Then again maybe your beloved Castrol 0w40 passes minimally. Lord knows it's like pulling teeth to get any info at all. What are they hiding? Put my trust in Castrol? Not with their reputation I won't. At least the lab Amsoil uses, Southwest Research, is pretty well beyond reproach.

Originally Posted by madeej11
Originally Posted by kschachn
I always love it when people say “nuff said”. Such a dismissive declaration.

But back to your statement. Sure, you said it was your opinion but surely you had some objective reasoning to come to that conclusion, so what was it? You didn’t pull your opinion out of thin air, did you?

Why do I prefer Lee brand jeans over Levi's or Wrangler? Or perhaps I need to list denim weight, quality or which dye is being used c'mon. I've noticed that you always pop your head up whenever Amsoil is mentioned and it's certainly not to commend them.
Yes I know, approvals, certs whatever are not there. Then again maybe your beloved Castrol 0w40 passes minimally. Lord knows it's like pulling teeth to get any info at all. What are they hiding? Put my trust in Castrol? Not with their reputation I won't. At least the lab Amsoil uses, Southwest Research, is pretty well beyond reproach.

He's always spoiling for a fight. It's ok for him to offer up subjective opinion when it suits him👇, but all else (like you) need to qualify their opinions with objective reasoning. (an "opinion" qualified by objective evidence... wouldn't it then be "fact" and not "opinion"??🤔)

Pretty rich in my "opinion"...😂

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I have completely given up on both OEM and aftermarket rubber wipers, all my cars now have PIAA Super Silicone wipers. Some are over two years old and none are chattering or streaking. No, I don't work for them or sell them but they have worked great for me so far.

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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: Mad_Hatter] #5190862 08/19/19 12:33 AM
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Thank you M_H.

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Sure, compare wiper blades to motor oil as being equal for an opinion-based recommendation. What industry standards are there for wiper blades that can be used to compare quality like motor oils?

Since neither you nor Mad_Hatter have provided any objective reasoning for your opinions then I guess I and everyone else in this thread have the answer, which is the same one as always.


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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: madeej11] #5191150 08/19/19 10:21 AM
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I am still waiting for the proof that SWRI is the testing lab for AMSOIL tests.


Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: madeej11] #5191168 08/19/19 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by madeej11
Why do I prefer Lee brand jeans over Levi's or Wrangler? Or perhaps I need to list denim weight, quality or which dye is being used c'mon. I've noticed that you always pop your head up whenever Amsoil is mentioned and it's certainly not to commend them.
Yes I know, approvals, certs whatever are not there. Then again maybe your beloved Castrol 0w40 passes minimally. Lord knows it's like pulling teeth to get any info at all. What are they hiding? Put my trust in Castrol? Not with their reputation I won't. At least the lab Amsoil uses, Southwest Research, is pretty well beyond reproach.

So I take it that your reasoning is because you like the color of the Amsoil oil and your engine likes it. Those attributes are analogous to your Levis example.

It's OK if that's what it is, but be honest and say so.


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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: cwhard] #5191530 08/19/19 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cwhard

Now that's the Viewpoint I want to take with my late model, close tolerance, fuel-injected engine. Second best is good enough for me! But hea man it's cheaper right? I'll just change it twice as much since it's half as good. Makes perfect (non)sense to me...


Second best in a relative competition. What you have here is a very close second in a field of top performers. Quantitatively, exactly HOW MUCH better is the 'best', in this situation, compared to the 'second best'?

It really depends on how wide the field is, and who is being compared. For example...

Look at this site: Top NFL rushing yards
Your top two are Emmitt Smith and Walter Payton, with Smith having a higher number of yards than Payton. Was he a BETTER rusher? Well, he did have MORE yards (18,355 vs 16,726), which is definitely an accomplishment, BUT he also did it over a longer career (14 years vs. 12 years) AND his average yards per carry is lower (4.2 vs 4.4)

My point? Just because Payton came up in 2nd place for total rushing yards doesn't mean he's just '2nd best' - I may be biased, but I grew up in Chicago and still consider Payton the best running back ever.

...but that's arguable, given all the different statistics, etc..

... and in a similar fashion, stating that Pennzoil is merely 'second best' is an arguable position... based of which statistic, specifically?


Finally, let's reconsider the 'best' vs. 'second best' argument. What if the comparison above was Emmitt Smith vs. .. say... Alonzo Highsmith, who ran a total of 1,195 rushing yards and 7 touchdowns. In this scenario, there's still a 'best' and a 'second best' and they are both definitely better running backs than you or me, but 2nd best is far, FAR worse than the 2nd best in the previous comparison.

.. or maybe a comparison between Emmitt Smith and me as running backs.. Hey, I played football briefly in high school. He's still the best.. but my 'second best' is paltry..


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If you had to say, which of the above three best/second best scenarios compares to Amsoil/Pennzoil? Be honest.


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Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: Y_K] #5191585 08/19/19 07:32 PM
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I am still waiting for the proof that SWRI is the testing lab for AMSOIL tests.

Why wait? Seek and you shall find.

Re: So many oil changes, so little time.... [Re: Linctex] #5192450 08/20/19 08:42 PM
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The following is one of the stupidest comments I have read lately:
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"Now that's the Viewpoint I want to take with my late model, close tolerance, fuel-injected engine. Second best is good enough for me! But hea man it's cheaper right?

Makes perfect (non)sense to me...


What's stupid (and makes no sense to me) is that you think Pennz Ultra Platinum is an "inferior" oil in any measurable way.



NO, What's stupid is that you guys think Pennzoil is a fully synthetic product when it is not. It uses a Petroleum Base which makes it a synthetic blend. A decent blend, but a blend all the same. The proof is that people who use it would never attempt to push it past 7500 miles before changing it. It speaks volumes.

Like I said earlier, Stupid is as stupid does...

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