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Havoline Box #5190097 08/18/19 07:17 AM
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After all the initial excitement and posting about the Havoline-in-a-box and despite the good reputation of both the dino and syn versions, I have yet to see a VOA or UOA of this oil.

Do you think that is because there hasn't been enough time since it came out for a normal interval to have passed, or are people simply using it per OLM or some shorter interval and skipping the analysis?

(And if I am simply missing the UOAs, a link would be great.)


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

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Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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What flavor of Havoline are you interested in?

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Originally Posted by JLTD
both the dino and syn versions


Probably the 5w-30 as well as the 10w-30.


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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I think there were some UOAs with the Havoline on some 3.5 EcoBoosts... it's Dexos approved in 5W30, either one will obviously be fine for a reasonable OCI... neither of your vehicles should be "hard" on oil, it will depend on your OCI and if you're short-tripping, etc.

UOA should really only be used to ensure viscosity and TBN are still in serviceable condition and no coolant leaks or excessive fuel dilution- UOA is not the correct analysis tool to assess machinery wear. You'd need a different, much more expensive test like filter debris analysis, ferrography, etc. to assess actual wear rates and the source.

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It's hard to find anything recent but if you can read Russian here's a really recent UOA on Havoline ProDS 5/30. (you can have Google translate the page). The ProDS is a full syn, so if you're looking for the syn blend Havoline, you probably could look at Chevron Supreme's data on the 5/30 and 10/30 as the two are quite similar??..Otherwise, it doesn't look like people (for some reason) have done recent(ly) UOA's.🤔

Maybe I should do one..I have a box of Havoline HiMi 5/30 on deck for the next oc.

ProDS 5w30 UOA (in Russian)

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I'm sure the 5W30 synthetic D1 Gen 2 would be ok for a shortish OCI , I prefer a NOACK of less than 10% if possible (somewhere in the single digits) ... Of course , I would have to pay for it .


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'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 QSUD / Fram Ultra
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 M1 EP HM / Fram Ultra
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Originally Posted by ChrisD46
I'm sure the 5W30 synthetic D1 Gen 2 would be ok for a shortish OCI , I prefer a NOACK of less than 10% if possible (somewhere in the single digits) ... Of course , I would have to pay for it .

The 10w30 is a 10 and the 5/20 and 5/30 are about 11 and 12 respectively.

Chevron doesn't make a bad oil that I'm aware of. Been using them in one flavour or another for 30yrs and never had a lubricant/sludge issue. Of course I'm pretty diligent about changing the oil on time, so I suppose I could say that about any oil from one of the majors. But as for their ProDS line, I'd have no worries doing 6~7k oci on them with my current ride.

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I am running it in my Van (5w20) and mowers (5w30)
It doesn't seem bad but not great and this is subject to my opinion only. The oil level in van dropped 1/2 quart in 1500 miles and my John Deere also dropped oil level in 20 hours. I am trying to wait and see if trends continue. Van had 9300 miles and mower had 80 hours so neither is worn and neither loses any oil normally. I do work both in severe duty and temps have been over 95 with occasionally hitting 100. If the trends continue I will discontinue with ProDS.


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Originally Posted by tiger862
I am running it in my Van (5w20) and mowers (5w30)
It doesn't seem bad but not great and this is subject to my opinion only. The oil level in van dropped 1/2 quart in 1500 miles and my John Deere also dropped oil level in 20 hours. I am trying to wait and see if trends continue. Van had 9300 miles and mower had 80 hours so neither is worn and neither loses any oil normally. I do work both in severe duty and temps have been over 95 with occasionally hitting 100. If the trends continue I will discontinue with ProDS.


Interesting that both engines usually don't use any oil....but we have occasionally seen this when changing brands...so it will be interesting to see if the DS burns off in the 2nd run.


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

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Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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With so few oil changes I haven't yet put the same oil in more than one fill on three engines. Factory fill, Napa Synthetic Blend then ProDs. Other was Briggs and Stratton HD then ProDs and finally Briggs factory, Pennzoil Gold then ProDs. Thinking of going to a conventional since it is a blend so no downside except cost compared to ProDS but I have time.

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Originally Posted by tiger862
With so few oil changes I haven't yet put the same oil in more than one fill on three engines. Factory fill, Napa Synthetic Blend then ProDs. Other was Briggs and Stratton HD then ProDs and finally Briggs factory, Pennzoil Gold then ProDs. Thinking of going to a conventional since it is a blend so no downside except cost compared to ProDS but I have time.


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I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

Using AMSOIL

Hers: 2008 Jeep Liberty 149k, SS5w30/Amsoil

His: 2015 4Runner 55k, SS 5w20/Amsoil

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Since we on this havoline 6qt box , Walmart here in Texas do not carry any havoline oil.

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I have been using ProDS since I got a bunch of 5 quart jugs on clearance at O'Reilly for $10 a few years ago. I've got 1 more oil change left before I exhaust my supply. It has been a great oil as far as I can tell. I've been doing 7500 mile OCIs on my Tacoma and anywhere from 5000 to 7500 miles on my son's Ford Escape.


02 Tacoma 3.4L, 231K, Hav ProDS 10W30 (me)
12 Highlander 3.5L, 111K, Napa Syn 0W20 (wife)
17 Escape 2.0L, 48K, Hav ProDS 5W30 (son)
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