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Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil #5189861 08/17/19 06:46 PM
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Firstly, if an oil meets a stringent spec like FA-4 does it matter who makes it? Secondly any reason to not go with Motorcraft? Thirdly is there really any special testing done by Ford or is it just a marketing gimmick? I have the 3.0l TD6 engine and just picked up two cases of 12 quart for $80 each on eBay.

Also, how often should I really change the oil? Just wait for the computer to tell me, do it seasonally, annually?

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Is the 3.0l in a F-150? Does that engine require a FA-4 oil?


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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: FlyingTexan] #5190128 08/18/19 06:51 AM
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There's been a lot of testing of FA-4 oils, and if an engine is built for it-slightly higher MPGs can result from using it. Depends on how much you trust Ford's diesel engine program, I'm in the once bitten, twice shy category (6.0 PSD issues).


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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
There's been a lot of testing of FA-4 oils, and if an engine is built for it-slightly higher MPGs can result from using it. Depends on how much you trust Ford's diesel engine program, I'm in the once bitten, twice shy category (6.0 PSD issues).


The 6.0 is actually a very reliable engine with some minor changes and with updated parts.


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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: mattd] #5190572 08/18/19 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mattd
Originally Posted by bullwinkle
There's been a lot of testing of FA-4 oils, and if an engine is built for it-slightly higher MPGs can result from using it. Depends on how much you trust Ford's diesel engine program, I'm in the once bitten, twice shy category (6.0 PSD issues).


The 6.0 is actually a very reliable engine with some minor changes and with updated parts.
Sure, an EGR cooler, a set of head gaskets with ARP studs (which generally means taking off the cab or pulling the engine out the front with a forklift or similar), maybe a VV turbo (or 3 as we had a few of the 6.0 PSD vans need), maybe a set of injectors, a FICM, and/or an HPOP at $1K each?? That's not minor in my book.


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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: bullwinkle] #5190684 08/18/19 07:24 PM
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The minor changes are an EGR delete, studs, updated stand pipes, dummy plugs and STC fitting, and a coolant filtration system with a silicate free ELC coolant. the 6.0 and the 6.7 are the most reliable trucks we have. All our 6.0s have he cooler deleted. The 05+ pumps rarely fail. The 03-04.5 trucks have the adrenaline pump from dieselsite that have proven to be much more reliable than the OEM. Injectors with mileage or poor maintence sure. It’s a wear item. FICMs usually (key word here) fail from bad batteries. A new one from ford is 480$ pre programmed. The biggest expense is studs sure. Al the hour meters have been maxed out on all the 6.0s for years and only 1 set of head gaskets. 0 HPOPs, 1 FICM, and 2 out of 7 6.0 trucks got Injectors that’s it. These are all rescue cab and chassis. F series.

OP sorry for the derailment.

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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: mattd] #5191758 08/20/19 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mattd
The minor changes are an EGR delete, studs, updated stand pipes, dummy plugs and STC fitting, and a coolant filtration system with a silicate free ELC coolant. the 6.0 and the 6.7 are the most reliable trucks we have. All our 6.0s have he cooler deleted. The 05+ pumps rarely fail. The 03-04.5 trucks have the adrenaline pump from dieselsite that have proven to be much more reliable than the OEM. Injectors with mileage or poor maintence sure. It’s a wear item. FICMs usually (key word here) fail from bad batteries. A new one from ford is 480$ pre programmed. The biggest expense is studs sure. Al the hour meters have been maxed out on all the 6.0s for years and only 1 set of head gaskets. 0 HPOPs, 1 FICM, and 2 out of 7 6.0 trucks got Injectors that’s it. These are all rescue cab and chassis. F series.

OP sorry for the derailment.


This has very much been my experience also!


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Keep in mind also the 6.0 was mainly an Interntional design, the 6.7L which is actually designed by Ford only has been a reliable engine.

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You are correct


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You are correct


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Double post sorry


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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: bullwinkle] #5193285 08/21/19 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
There's been a lot of testing of FA-4 oils, and if an engine is built for it-slightly higher MPGs can result from using it. Depends on how much you trust Ford's diesel engine program, I'm in the once bitten, twice shy category (6.0 PSD issues).

My concern is that Ford is so petrified of CK-4 oils, yet there's a Motorcraft FA-4? I think Ford really needs to do something about their conflicting messages with respect to diesel engine lubrication.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Motorcraft FA-4 spec oil [Re: FlyingTexan] #5193874 08/22/19 12:11 PM
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Yeah Garak, Ford definitely has issues with their oil "preferences)


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I'm not even sure what they have that would call for FA-4. The smaller half ton diesels have generally gone to a C3 type lube, which has higher HTHS. Then, when they find something doesn't pan out, they go to an ordinary E7, E9 HDEO.


Plain, simple Garak.

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