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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: antonmnster] #5188513 08/16/19 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy722
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So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink



Any BMW can go 200k miles. It's just a matter of having the will and the $$. It's a question of durability. For example early electronic water pumps on the N54 would routinely fail just north of 50k miles. That's unacceptable to a Lexus owner who has 150k miles on his/her original water pump.




Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Well if you had the N20-N26 or N47 diesel you might have a different opinion about BMW and timing chains.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: Skippy722] #5188516 08/16/19 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink


Yup.

I drove mine on a 2600 mile road trip and hammered the crap out of it. I drove through the smoky mountains, the blue ridge parkway, down mountain dirt roads, did tail of the dragon, and it didn't miss a beat. All while carrying plenty of gear for two people.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5188518 08/16/19 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink



Any BMW can go 200k miles. It's just a matter of having the will and the $$. It's a question of durability. For example early electronic water pumps on the N54 would routinely fail just north of 50k miles. That's unacceptable to a Lexus owner who has 150k miles on his/her original water pump.




Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Well if you had the N20-N26 or N47 diesel you might have a different opinion about BMW and timing chains.


So would owners of the 3.5 V6 in many newer Fords.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: andyd] #5188520 08/16/19 07:46 AM
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School me please. What, pray tell, is the rationale behind a rear timing chain/belt? In the factory, the cabins are dropped onto the drive train The right way to take out an engine is on the sub-frame from underneath and then split off the engine or trans to service. KA- Ching!! and difficult to bodge behind the shop. The main reason I don't have a late model Ranger 4x4 is a rear cam drive 4.0L Take a good reliable little gas hog capable of 300K with little service and turn it into a grenade at 150K miles . A century of development going into push rod V engines. Then these OHC horror shows. What is the impetus to do this for Ford or BMW or any car maker? coffee


Wait, so you didn't own a Ranger with the 4.0 SOHC V6 because basically two years of production might have had an issue with the timing chain which was solved after 2001? ??? My friend owned a 2001 which was one of the "problem" years and it went to 200k with zero issues before he sold it.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: jeepman3071] #5188619 08/16/19 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink



Any BMW can go 200k miles. It's just a matter of having the will and the $$. It's a question of durability. For example early electronic water pumps on the N54 would routinely fail just north of 50k miles. That's unacceptable to a Lexus owner who has 150k miles on his/her original water pump.




Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Well if you had the N20-N26 or N47 diesel you might have a different opinion about BMW and timing chains.


So would owners of the 3.5 V6 in many newer Fords.

Toyota 2GR-FE had tensioner issues in first years too.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5188814 08/16/19 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl



Any BMW can go 200k miles. It's just a matter of having the will and the $$. It's a question of durability. For example early electronic water pumps on the N54 would routinely fail just north of 50k miles. That's unacceptable to a Lexus owner who has 150k miles on his/her original water pump.


Sounds like the 5.7 HEMI water pumps. I’d still take replacing water pumps every 50k over a Lexus though.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: jeepman3071] #5189020 08/16/19 06:01 PM
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As I've said many times before, if your idea of the pinnacle of automotive excellence is an anodyne travel pod that can go 300k miles with minimal maintenance, than a BMW is not for you. As for me, the enjoyment I've derived from the BMWs I've owned since 1983 vastly outweigh the additional expense of maintaining them.
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink


Yup.

I drove mine on a 2600 mile road trip and hammered the crap out of it. I drove through the smoky mountains, the blue ridge parkway, down mountain dirt roads, did tail of the dragon, and it didn't miss a beat. All while carrying plenty of gear for two people.


As I've said many times before, if your idea of the pinnacle of automotive excellence is an anodyne travel pod that can go 300k miles with minimal maintenance, than a BMW is not for you. As for me, the enjoyment I've derived from the BMWs I've owned since 1983 vastly outweigh the additional expense of maintaining them.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: Bjornviken] #5189087 08/16/19 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bjornviken
looks like a solid engine


Looked not looks.....

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As I've said many times before, if your idea of the pinnacle of automotive excellence is an anodyne travel pod that can go 300k miles with minimal maintenance, than a BMW is not for you. As for me, the enjoyment I've derived from the BMWs I've owned since 1983 vastly outweigh the additional expense of maintaining them.
Originally Posted by jeepman3071
Originally Posted by Skippy722
Originally Posted by antonmnster
So much ignorance and fear of anything new. My n54 has 210,000 miles on it, original chains and turbos, and I'd be totally fine if the chains were on the back. I've had BMWs for 20 years, and had only one chain tensioner go weak on my 318is from 1991. The rest have been perfect for 250k+. I just drove to Detroit and back and loved the performance and relative efficiency, even running 5-40 Delo.

This engine looks like a simplified version of my n54 in some respects. The lack of driver engagement of modern BMWs is worthy of a lot of criticism, but not the engines.


Anything other than penalty boxes... I mean econoboxes... I mean boring appliances... er, frugal, reliable vehicles are automatically disregarded for being too expensive or referred to as “unreliable” with absolutely no real world experience. It is IMPOSSIBLE to drive a BMW 200k with no issues! wink


Yup.

I drove mine on a 2600 mile road trip and hammered the crap out of it. I drove through the smoky mountains, the blue ridge parkway, down mountain dirt roads, did tail of the dragon, and it didn't miss a beat. All while carrying plenty of gear for two people.


As I've said many times before, if your idea of the pinnacle of automotive excellence is an anodyne travel pod that can go 300k miles with minimal maintenance, than a BMW is not for you. As for me, the enjoyment I've derived from the BMWs I've owned since 1983 vastly outweigh the additional expense of maintaining them.


These clowns just reduced the car to about 30k with problems once they put that back in.

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Originally Posted by madRiver


These clowns just reduced the car to about 30k with problems once they put that back in.


Ah yes... long term reliability is at the top of my list in a custom built 1,000hp vehicle. smirk2

Or, maybe it takes 1,000hp with no major problems. You have no idea.


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Re: BMW (Toyota Supra) B58 Engine Teardown Video [Re: MCompact] #5189189 08/16/19 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MCompact
As I've said many times before, if your idea of the pinnacle of automotive excellence is an anodyne travel pod that can go 300k miles with minimal maintenance, than a BMW is not for you. As for me, the enjoyment I've derived from the BMWs I've owned since 1983 vastly outweigh the additional expense of maintaining them.



As much as I dislike driving BMWs after being a porter for them, I must say, the M235i is pretty fun to drive. I'm just glad it's my friend's car and not mine lol.

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I am not big fan of chain in the back. So far it proved stout in since 2016.

That's probably what they said of Audi's S4.

The difference between the two designs is staggering; the only thing they have in common is where the chain is physically located.
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looks like a solid engine

Looked not looks.....

No, looks. It looks like a beast of a motor that will handle big power - as he said in the video.
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These clowns just reduced the car to about 30k with problems once they put that back in.

"Clowns" Not the word I'd use to describe the builder in the video. It's a word that suits several of the posters here though.


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My position on this vehicle has mellowed a bit, considering that the pricing is significantly less than I expected.


Plain, simple Garak.

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How many M Series vehicles do they sell now?


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