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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5185690 08/13/19 08:07 AM
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Hey Virtus_Probi,
Thanks for the note on M1HM 10W30. I'll keep an extra keen eye on the wife's Hyundai for oil consumption and examine the drained oil with more interest than normal. I've not noticed any anomaly in past usage of this oil.


BACK TO THE OP
As for 0W30 AFE, I've considered it for both our vehicles but haven't pulled the trigger. OP, if interested, check out member Gohkan's "base oil quality index" for some fun reading. Not industry standardized testing but interesting in it's own right. He also gives an account for levels of PAO in commonly available motor oils.

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2018 KIA Sportage LX 2.4 AWD:
EDGE 5W30, PH9688

2013 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T:
M1HM 10W30, ULTRA XG9688
Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: Cujet] #5185718 08/13/19 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujet


I find that plain old Mobil 1, 10W-30 is more shear stable in my vehicles than the 5W or 0W-30 or 0W-40 oils.

Has anyone summarized the test results or is this a just a presumption left over from the old school? A spreadsheet with with UOA viscosities should suffice.


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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: Snagglefoot] #5185724 08/13/19 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
Originally Posted by Cujet


I find that plain old Mobil 1, 10W-30 is more shear stable in my vehicles than the 5W or 0W-30 or 0W-40 oils.

Has anyone summarized the test results or is this a just a presumption left over from the old school? A spreadsheet with with UOA viscosities should suffice.


Fewer VII's should be required for the narrower viscosity spread of 10w-30, I could see that potentially explaining the differences in shear stability, if indeed there is a difference that could be backed up by UOA data.

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: wemay] #5185729 08/13/19 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by wemay

Hey Virtus_Probi,
Thanks for the note on M1HM 10W30. I'll keep an extra keen eye on the wife's Hyundai for oil consumption and examine the drained oil with more interest than normal. I've not noticed any anomaly in past usage of this oil.
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Howdy wemay, hope all is well with you and the family!
Can't really explain the possible weirdness I noticed with M1 10W30 HM, I guess I need to realize my car is getting old and what I'm seeing might just reflect aging and possible deposit collections that could have been dissolved.
I do have to admit that I did a mental "WHOAH!" when I first looked closely at that pan....I sure would have noticed something like that before unless I had done a vacuum extraction (which I think has only happened twice with my car).
I fully expect that this is a top quality oil, but maybe it's just not a good match for my car?
I only did one run with M1 5W30 EP in my vehicle because I noticed a funny little rattle in very particular conditions during that OCI...I honestly think that it was probably due to the oil filter being a bit wonky mechanically, but I figured why not pick another quality oil in the future just in the very unlikely case that EP had something to do with the strangeness? I suspected the filter was behind that rattle more strongly after my daughter complained about starting her Impreza right after my wife took it to Midas for a change and I discovered they used an oil filter without an ADBV...things were fine when I put an appropriate filter from my stockpile on it. My best guess was the ADBV was not working right in the filter I used with that EP, but who knows....

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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5185881 08/13/19 11:37 AM
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You do the same brother, and hope you and yours are well too.


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M1HM 10W30, ULTRA XG9688
Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: jongies3] #5185886 08/13/19 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by jongies3
Ran this 10,000 miles in my Tacoma and had a UOA, didn't shear out of grade at all so it's very robust.


Sorry but those 3.4L engines don't really sheer any brand of oil. They are extremely durable engines

Low power output for the size, no timing chain and oil cooler. Its been proven over and over with oil reports.

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5185974 08/13/19 01:17 PM
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Not the biggest fan of M1 0w30. It does handle high temps well and would do great in turbo applications, but the VII's in it can cause it to drop viscosity in some applications.


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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: buster] #5186051 08/13/19 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by buster
Not the biggest fan of M1 0w30. It does handle high temps well and would do great in turbo applications, but the VII's in it can cause it to drop viscosity in some applications.


Cant that be said for any modern oil using VII's? Whats special about AFE?

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5186078 08/13/19 02:53 PM
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I have been using it for the spring oil change since it became available.

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: ad244] #5186177 08/13/19 04:20 PM
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Not the biggest fan of M1 0w30. It does handle high temps well and would do great in turbo applications, but the VII's in it can cause it to drop viscosity in some applications.


Cant that be said for any modern oil using VII's? Whats special about AFE?


Yeah pretty much.


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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5186466 08/13/19 10:28 PM
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I have used this oil in some of my higher powered engines for winter use ( I'm in Canada), it hasn't done me wrong.

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5187060 08/14/19 02:41 PM
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Even if it dropped viscosity, I'd think this would be a good alternative for a car which specs 0w20 if someone didn't feel comfortable with a 20 weight. Thoughts?


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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: IndyFan] #5187125 08/14/19 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by IndyFan
Even if it dropped viscosity, I'd think this would be a good alternative for a car which specs 0w20 if someone didn't feel comfortable with a 20 weight. Thoughts?


Likely true. It's a good oil.


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Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: noclutch] #5187826 08/15/19 11:40 AM
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Lots of talk about M1 0W30 achieving its goal through VI. As likely that It is achieved through its base oils.

Re: M1 AFE 0w-30. Is it all that? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5187830 08/15/19 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
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Running PP 5W30 as of a few weeks ago as PB had a nice sale and rebate offer for it (still waiting on the rebate) and I was a little disturbed when I drained the M1 10W30 HM out.
I can't swear that the oil came out of the car looking like this as I wipe off my drain pan well enough but don't sterilize it....but, I noticed a fair amount of scummy grey/black stuff floating on top of the old oil when I went to pour it into the empty 5l PP jug.
Have never seen anything like this before, would have taken a pic but I was blocking my daughter's car in the garage and wanted to finish up ASAP. Maybe looked a little bit like when you are trying to stir a powdered drink mix into water or milk and some of it bunches up and floats on top. Definitely was not just bubbles and also struck me as stuff that should have gotten filtered...

This was also the first OCI in which I noticed some signs of oil usage, just a bit but it seemed to be a new phenomenon. I would guess the oil and engine were both just fine, but I'm not sure I'll use 10W30 HM again...I'm sure it's possible there was some "cleaning" going on, but I can't imagine my engine was really dirty after a steady diet of M1 5W30 and some other good synth oils. I still have the filter, maybe I should figure out how to cut it open and see what's in there?
I will definitely keep an eye on the dipstick for signs of consumption in the future and will be prepared to snap some pics of the PP 5W30 when it comes out in in case it looks "funny".

Sorry for extending this tangent, but I wanted to ask a question related to me seeing this "scum" in my drain pan.
Am I right in thinking that oil will generally have a milky look when it is contaminated with coolant?
This seems extremely unlikely to have happened in my case as I actually noticed a slight loss of oil on the dipstick as opposed to a rising lubricant level and also have not had to add an unusual amount of coolant lately...but, this popped into my mind and I wanted to ask the question. Whatever I saw in my drain pan was quite dark....honestly, could have been some dirt that got into the pan between OCIs. I wipe the pan out well after I use it, but I sure can't say it's even remotely spotless when I put it away waiting for the next change. Could have also dropped something into it as it sits below my tool shelves in the garage when not in use.


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