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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185336 08/12/19 06:54 PM
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Of the choices posted, 5w-30.
Just curious why not going with the upgraded oil pump?

But I have no issues running 5w-20 in the 3v 5.4 (just do shorter intervals).
My brother in laws '04 with the 3v 5.4 is quieter with 5w-20 than 5w-30. I know the opposite of most, but it is. shrug
He is at 173,xxx miles on his (but his oil filter is full of metal for past 20,000 miles).


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185342 08/12/19 07:06 PM
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jimmy- the truck had 5w20 prior to me owning it and 40w since i've had it. The only reason i ran a 40w was to try and prolong the inevitable, it just happened so soon!

blupupher- cost partially as well as what the warranty company will pay for. I really didn't want to fight with Ford to use my own part on their motor.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185353 08/12/19 07:19 PM
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So you put 40 grade oil in one spec for 20 grade and engine failed but it was fault of 20 grade oil? Don't over think it go with what is spec and sleep well. Lots of engines use 20 grade oil with hundreds of thousands miles on them still running. 3 in my family running 20 grade 178k, 90k, 10k.

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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185370 08/12/19 07:39 PM
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a few engines can handle a w/20, most not so good long term, I avoid it.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185384 08/12/19 08:00 PM
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My 2009 5.4L currently has 132,000 on it, and it's been on 10W-30 M1 nearly all it's life. No signs of impending doom either.

I did a little UOA testing early on and the 10W-30EP came out on top. Less shear than the M1 5W-30 and slightly lower Fe. These engines do quite well with a higher viscosity, especially in warm climates.

0W-40 is not an ideal choice when compared to some others, as it's often less shear stable due to higher levels of viscosity index improvers.

It's good to keep in mind that the newer Ford replacement parts have addressed the previous faults and are known to hold up quite well.

It's also good to understand exactly why these problems occur in the first place. The oil pumps do tend to leak from the backing plate, especially over time. The cam chain tensioners tend to "blow out" the O-ring seal and leak. The combo starves the heads for oil.

The newer Ford cam phasers have better locking pins and don't make as much noise. But again, the locking pin is designed to retract, so a tight fit is not possible and they will always make a little noise. Oil viscosity plays a role here too, as the pin is cushioned by the oil. Phaser wear can be related to oil particulates. Change your oil regularly.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185398 08/12/19 08:19 PM
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I had an 05 F-150 that had 215,000 when I sold it and it ran perfect and used no oil. The previous owner used the Ford oil 5W-20 and I usually put in Mobil 1 0W-20. I used what the factory recommended and didn't have any problems. If you must use something different I would go with a 0W-30 or 5W-30. I run 0W-20 in my 2014 Ford 5.0 engine.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185429 08/12/19 09:15 PM
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The oil choice won’t matter much. The most Important thing on a 5.4L is to keep the oil changed.


I’ve replaced chains, phasers, oil pump, and pickup tube in about a dozen of these so far.

Sludgy ones usually need it done by 100k. Well maintained ones will make it to 150-175k. The 5.4 3v is just a turd. The 2V engines were much better.

Oil type matters little. 5w20 or 5w30 are both fine. I do believe there is less timing chain and guide wear on the 30wt oils, but I don’t have proof.







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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: tiger862] #5185434 08/12/19 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tiger862
So you put 40 grade oil in one spec for 20 grade and engine failed but it was fault of 20 grade oil? Don't over think it go with what is spec and sleep well. Lots of engines use 20 grade oil with hundreds of thousands miles on them still running. 3 in my family running 20 grade 178k, 90k, 10k.


I didn't say 20 grade is at fault here, not even close. Just answering Jimmy's question


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185438 08/12/19 09:30 PM
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Thanks for the input fellas, it sounds like a 5w30 changed regularly would be the way to go!


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185443 08/12/19 09:41 PM
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Since you are going with 5w30 which means it will be low zddp you may at least opt for a high moly oil. Many many companies are headed this way, QSUD, Truck and Gas, Amsoil, Redline, and even PYB if you are going conventional.

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Castrol 0w40 for years in my 2009 F150. Quiet at startup, on the highway and at hot idle when I sold it at 120k miles. Change it often, whichever you chose.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5185478 08/12/19 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by panthermike
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blupupher- cost partially as well as what the warranty company will pay for. I really didn't want to fight with Ford to use my own part on their motor.

Ahh, OK, so not your dime, I can understand that. Even then, the newer OEM parts do address some of the issues, just not quite as well as something like the Melling pump would.

Again, I personally would just use a cheap synthetic 5w-20 and change every 4000 miles or so. It is what I am doing with my BIL truck.
I could understand the desire to use a name brand 5w-30 synthetic though, my brain still thinks that way some times, but regardless, I would lean toward shorter OCI instead of longer (or even recommended).
This is part of the reason I say use a cheap syn oil, regardless of which oil brand or weight is used, 4000 miles is about the limit on these things. the long timing chains, hydraulic adjusters, VCT solenoids, phasers, just a lot of stuff going on in these things that can be hard on oil.


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2018 Soul: Mobil Super 5W-20/OEM/5k
2012 xB: M1 EP 0W-20/CQ Blue/5k
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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: blupupher] #5185751 08/13/19 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blupupher
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blupupher- cost partially as well as what the warranty company will pay for. I really didn't want to fight with Ford to use my own part on their motor.

Ahh, OK, so not your dime, I can understand that. Even then, the newer OEM parts do address some of the issues, just not quite as well as something like the Melling pump would.

Again, I personally would just use a cheap synthetic 5w-20 and change every 4000 miles or so. It is what I am doing with my BIL truck.
I could understand the desire to use a name brand 5w-30 synthetic though, my brain still thinks that way some times, but regardless, I would lean toward shorter OCI instead of longer (or even recommended).
This is part of the reason I say use a cheap syn oil, regardless of which oil brand or weight is used, 4000 miles is about the limit on these things. the long timing chains, hydraulic adjusters, VCT solenoids, phasers, just a lot of stuff going on in these things that can be hard on oil.


Hey i appreciate the feedback, i've heard go with a shorter oci but wasn't sure how short. This helps, and makes total sense why you mention to use something cheap!


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: burla] #5185894 08/13/19 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by burla
Since you are going with 5w30 which means it will be low zddp you may at least opt for a high moly oil. Many many companies are headed this way, QSUD, Truck and Gas, Amsoil, Redline, and even PYB if you are going conventional.


Thanks, I'm liking the Truck and Gas. It looks like a good overall blend and reasonably priced at WM.


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Re: 5.4 3V New motor- 5w30 or 0w40? [Re: panthermike] #5186220 08/13/19 05:24 PM
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Use 5W20 and the brand doesn't matter just keep the oil level topped off and change it every 7-10K miles. Unless you are in the severe service category the 5K.


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