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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: skyactiv] #5185002 08/12/19 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by skyactiv
Just bought a used Elantra Sport with a higher output version of that engine and the owners manual is confusing.
What is above ACEA A5? My guess is ACEA A3 since Hyundai allows a 5W40 in these engines.
I put Pennzoil platinum 5W30 which listed ACEA A5 on the jug.


If you searched the Elantra Sport or Veloster Turbo user group on Facebook, they all recommended 5W40 for our 1.6T for better protection. Also there was a TSB already released by Hyundai mentioned about it.
I have also switched from the Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 to Motul X-Clean 5W40.recently.

Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: Petabytes] #5185013 08/12/19 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Petabytes
Originally Posted by skyactiv
Just bought a used Elantra Sport with a higher output version of that engine and the owners manual is confusing.
What is above ACEA A5? My guess is ACEA A3 since Hyundai allows a 5W40 in these engines.
I put Pennzoil platinum 5W30 which listed ACEA A5 on the jug.


If you searched the Elantra Sport or Veloster Turbo user group on Facebook, they all recommended 5W40 for our 1.6T for better protection. Also there was a TSB already released by Hyundai mentioned about it.
I have also switched from the Pennzoil Platinum 5W30 to Motul X-Clean 5W40.recently.


There is no Hyundai issued TSB requiring owners to use 5W40.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: dave1251] #5185125 08/12/19 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by dave1251
If you want further confusion DEXOS 1 Generation 2 is basically the ACEA A5 spec.

are you sure?
tnx

Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: MrMoody] #5185272 08/12/19 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMoody
It also says, "These Oils are unsuitable for use in certain Engines." Does anyone know any examples of gasoline engines and/or why? Just curious.

Another easy example is to think of diesel. A 5w-30 A5/B5 is technically suitable for certain diesel engines. I wouldn't be rushing to use it in a dexos2 diesel application or a Cummins, either.

wemay: It seems to be an industry wide issue of these manuals trying to cover every bit of legalese to the point that they're not saying anything useful.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: Garak] #5186349 08/13/19 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by MrMoody
It also says, "These Oils are unsuitable for use in certain Engines." Does anyone know any examples of gasoline engines and/or why? Just curious.

Another easy example is to think of diesel. A 5w-30 A5/B5 is technically suitable for certain diesel engines. I wouldn't be rushing to use it in a dexos2 diesel application or a Cummins, either.

wemay: It seems to be an industry wide issue of these manuals trying to cover every bit of legalese to the point that they're not saying anything useful.


duh approved


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: avi1777] #5186667 08/14/19 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by dave1251
If you want further confusion DEXOS 1 Generation 2 is basically the ACEA A5 spec.

are you sure?
tnx

A5 doesn't cover LSPI resistance at all, that will be covered with A7/B7 (and C6).
d1G2 was the first major oil spec to address LSPI.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5186765 08/14/19 08:23 AM
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Since this is turbo, OP should forget ACEA A5 or API SN+ and just use ACEA A3 or C3 5W30.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: edyvw] #5187063 08/14/19 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Since this is turbo, OP should forget ACEA A5 or API SN+ and just use ACEA A3 or C3 5W30.

and for a nonturbo but high compression 14.1 the a5 is sufficient?
tnx

Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5187086 08/14/19 02:20 PM
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My Tucson is a 1.6 turbo with D.I.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5187106 08/14/19 02:40 PM
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ye i meant for my car sorry didn't mean to jack your post.

Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: avi1777] #5187350 08/14/19 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by edyvw
Since this is turbo, OP should forget ACEA A5 or API SN+ and just use ACEA A3 or C3 5W30.

and for a nonturbo but high compression 14.1 the a5 is sufficient?
tnx


More than enough


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5187448 08/14/19 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2003f7
My Tucson is a 1.6 turbo with D.I.

Use ACEA A3 or C3.
You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L in Wal Mart. It is MB 229.51 and better than ANY ACEA A5.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: avi1777] #5187449 08/14/19 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by edyvw
Since this is turbo, OP should forget ACEA A5 or API SN+ and just use ACEA A3 or C3 5W30.

and for a nonturbo but high compression 14.1 the a5 is sufficient?
tnx

Yep. I use in my Toyota SIenna Mobil1 5W30 EP, ACEA A5.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: edyvw] #5187502 08/14/19 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by 2003f7
My Tucson is a 1.6 turbo with D.I.

Use ACEA A3 or C3.
You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L in Wal Mart. It is MB 229.51 and better than ANY ACEA A5.

better,stronger ex sure but isnt it over kill?

Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: avi1777] #5187506 08/15/19 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by avi1777
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by 2003f7
My Tucson is a 1.6 turbo with D.I.

Use ACEA A3 or C3.
You have Pennzoil Platinum Euro L in Wal Mart. It is MB 229.51 and better than ANY ACEA A5.

better,stronger ex sure but isnt it over kill?

What is overkill? HTHS of Mobil1 5W30 EP is 3, PP Euro L is 3.5. That is the most important thing for turbo application.
Also, PP Euro L is approved against MB 229.51, which means much better deposit control, NOACK limited to max 10% (PP Euro L is GTL based, so in 5W30 application NOACK is probably in range around 7%. BMW TPT 5W30 that is made by SOPUS has NOACK 6.8%. Some argue that PP Euro L is actually same oil as BMW TPT 5W30). So, I am not sure you can characterize lower NOACK, deposits etc. as "overkill."
On top of that, PP Euro L in Wal Mart is $22 for 5qt, while Mobil1 5W30 EP which is ACEA A5 is $25.


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