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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5183923 08/10/19 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 2003f7
2.0 N/A and 2.4 N/A

So, to make sure I understand: API specs for the NA engines, and ACEA A5 for the turbo?


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: dave1251] #5183928 08/10/19 09:42 PM
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If you want further confusion DEXOS 1 Generation 2 is basically the ACEA A5 spec.


This is interesting. I've never thought of that connection.



Nothing like muddying up the waters more than necessary.

They are looking at it like we do with API. They spec A5 knowing in a couple of years it will be upgraded.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: d00df00d] #5183930 08/10/19 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by d00df00d
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2.0 N/A and 2.4 N/A

So, to make sure I understand: API specs for the NA engines, and ACEA A5 for the turbo?

No. A turbo oil would probably be A3.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: wemay] #5183931 08/10/19 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wemay
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If you want further confusion DEXOS 1 Generation 2 is basically the ACEA A5 spec.


This is interesting. I've never thought of that connection.

That 's the way I look at it too...


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: MrMoody] #5183935 08/10/19 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMoody
It also says, "These Oils are unsuitable for use in certain Engines." Does anyone know any examples of gasoline engines and/or why? Just curious.

That would be an engine that requires A3.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5183942 08/10/19 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
No. A turbo oil would probably be A3.

From the OP:

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the owners manual specs ACEA A5 or above for the 1.6 turbo


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: ka9mnx] #5183944 08/10/19 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
They are looking at it like we do with API. They spec A5 knowing in a couple of years it will be upgraded.

They don't know how the ACEA works. ACEA specs are always considered current. When A5 is upgraded, as it is periodically, it's still A5. Oil companies are expected to only claim specifications for the latest, current ACEA sequence, with a grace period allowed for switchover. A5/B5 has been updated since many of these manuals were printed, but it's still A5/B5.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: Garak] #5183951 08/10/19 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
They are looking at it like we do with API. They spec A5 knowing in a couple of years it will be upgraded.

They don't know how the ACEA works. ACEA specs are always considered current. When A5 is upgraded, as it is periodically, it's still A5. Oil companies are expected to only claim specifications for the latest, current ACEA sequence, with a grace period allowed for switchover. A5/B5 has been updated since many of these manuals were printed, but it's still A5/B5.



Agree with this.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: 2003f7] #5184002 08/11/19 01:06 AM
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Just checked the manual online - not only it says 5w30 A5 or above for 1.6t, it also has this "SAE 5W-20 (API SM / ILSAC GF-4 / ACEAA5 or above)" where GF-4 and SM are outdated specs.
I really think they mean more like "this or newer" and in case of A5 it stays the same, but we do have SN plus and GF5 (GF6 is coming)
OP, use any name brand synthetic 5w30 and you'll be alright, don't overthink

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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: SlavaB] #5184027 08/11/19 04:27 AM
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Thanks for posting that pic, SlavaB. It clarifies a lot.

So, assuming there's no other important info in the stuff that has been cropped out -- which is a massive assumption -- it seems to be saying ACEA and API specs are only recommendations in case you want to go for the best possible fuel economy.

The difference in those recommendations is not surprising for turbo vs. NA. Turbo means more heat, so the minimum viscosity is higher -- 5W-30, vs. 5W-20 for the NA engines.

It looks to me like:

1. They think ACEA A5 is the ideal spec for all their engines;
2. They also validated API SM oils in a lower viscosity for their NA engines to give people more options, but didn't bother for the turbo engine because they feel it should run at least a 5W-30 and ACEA A5 5W-30s are everywhere; and
3. They're pretty sure their engines will run acceptably with just about any decent remotely-modern oil on the market, as long as it's in one of those viscosity grades.

So yeah, if you're using Mobil 1 5W-30, you're doing the right thing.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: wemay] #5184162 08/11/19 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by wemay
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They are looking at it like we do with API. They spec A5 knowing in a couple of years it will be upgraded.

They don't know how the ACEA works. ACEA specs are always considered current. When A5 is upgraded, as it is periodically, it's still A5. Oil companies are expected to only claim specifications for the latest, current ACEA sequence, with a grace period allowed for switchover. A5/B5 has been updated since many of these manuals were printed, but it's still A5/B5.



Agree with this.

I agree with the upgrading of the ACEA oils without changing the designation since I have been following the ACEA specs for a while. But, this is what I get for trying to read the manufacturers minds and "assuming" why they stated "or above"!


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When I saw question: ACEA A5 or above, I knew it it is Hyundai customer before looking at post.
Someone needs to tell these "engineers" in Hyundai there is NO SUCH THING as ACEA A5 and above.

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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: ka9mnx] #5184489 08/11/19 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
I agree with the upgrading of the ACEA oils without changing the designation since I have been following the ACEA specs for a while. But, this is what I get for trying to read the manufacturers minds and "assuming" why they stated "or above"!

Never try to read the minds of those who lack the understanding the first place. wink

edyvw puts it correctly. No one at Hyundai can go to the ACEA site and spend a few minutes reading up on this? Perhaps automakers that want to have ties with a lubricant company should let said lubricant company write the part of the manual about choosing lubricants.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by ka9mnx
I agree with the upgrading of the ACEA oils without changing the designation since I have been following the ACEA specs for a while. But, this is what I get for trying to read the manufacturers minds and "assuming" why they stated "or above"!

Never try to read the minds of those who lack the understanding the first place. wink

edyvw puts it correctly. No one at Hyundai can go to the ACEA site and spend a few minutes reading up on this? Perhaps automakers that want to have ties with a lubricant company should let said lubricant company write the part of the manual about choosing lubricants.


What's even more puzzling is they've had said relationship with SHELL for over 10 years. shrug

I guess the silver lining is that they allow owners to use more than one viscosity.


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Re: ACEA A5 or above. [Re: MrMoody] #5184751 08/12/19 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMoody
It also says, "These Oils are unsuitable for use in certain Engines." Does anyone know any examples of gasoline engines and/or why? Just curious.



Gas engines in Europe have been burning ULSG for almost a decade and now contain a particulate filter similar to the DPF in for a diesel. My two cents.


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