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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #4874769 09/21/18 12:26 PM
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TBH, I shyed away from MaxLife in my parent's Lexus LS430 and my Prius - WS was cheaper for me(it helps to know someone at the dealership) but I'll probably use it next spill and fill in the LS but probably not in the Prius - there is ATF being pumped through the transaxle despite it being splash-lubricated. That pumped fluid does drip on the 2 electric motors and I'm not sure if MaxLife is detrimental to the winding insulation.

Toyota really should have a certification program like Mopar, GM and Ford have for their ATFs. I mean if Castrol, SOPUS and P66 got their "universal" ATFs approved by Ford and GM for Dexron VI and Mercon V/LV(and ULV eventually), it shouldn't be too hard for them to pass Toyota or JASO testing. There is a gray area for Japanese ATF, a Toyota engineer said in a presentation at JASO that genuine parts ATF is best but a "superior-type ATF" is suitable and that spec is JASO M315 which all the "universals" are self-certified by the add pack suppliers and blenders to meet.

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #4874774 09/21/18 12:29 PM
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How about Toyota uses a quality synthetic fluid that doesn't darken easily like other OE fluids and that actually promotes excellent shift quality like non-OE fluids do and folks would use OEM fluid instead. grin2

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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: wdn] #4875240 09/21/18 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wdn
Certified by Aisin the transmission manufacturer of Toyota vehicles. Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid is OEM certified by Aisin as meeting JWS 3324 specification. I just got off the phone with Castrol support. They said it is indeed certified by Aisin, hence Toyota. Not 'recommended' certified, as in Castrol paid the money got the product tested and have a certification by Aisin. The same spec that sold in bottles as Toyota Brand WS. That is OEM cerfification just like the example you gave of Aisin's own JWS 3324 product.

That is completely unlike Maxlife ATF that comes with the disclaimer: "it should be noted that MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF is not an OEM licensed product. The respective vehicle manufacturers have neither evaluated nor endorsed MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF in these applications."

See there is a difference, the Castrol Transmax is indeed OEM certified and the Valvoline product is not.

I don't doubt that the Transmax is certified as they say, but it doesn't say WS or JWS 3324 anywhere on the PDS. It could be that the PDS hasn't been updated. On the one hand it says "Toyota/Lexus: All applications that require automatic transmission fluid". Then in the next bit it says "Various Aisin-Warner Transmissions: JWS-3309".It lists only T-IV. Maybe the PDS is outdated, maybe they're doing the essentially the same type of marketing as Valvoline? It literally says "Recommended for use in vehicles as indicated below:" and "Suitable for use in vehicles as recommended below:", in the top part it specifies that it is approved by 2 OEM's. Like I said, I believe what you're telling us about what they said, but I don't see it in writing anywhere. I'd use it with confidence if I was out of warranty... But I think if a warranty issue were to arise you'd be skating on thin ice... I think you'd essentially be in the same boat as you'd be in with the Maxlife. You might be able to make them pay, but it will be a bigger headache than it would have been with the OEM fluid. It does say certified for all Toyota vehicles on the bottle, so I'm sure they aren't just saying that, maybe the certification is new relative the the PDS that was published in 2013. Either way, good info and thanks for chiming in and discussing!
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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #4875783 09/22/18 10:04 AM
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Valvoline vs. Amsoil have fans of each debating which of their two uncertified ATFs is 'safe' for a Toyota WS application. However, Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid is OEM certified by Aisin as meeting JWS 3324 specificiation. So there is a OEM certified, aftermarket transmission fluid availabe for Toyotas that specify type WS transmission fluid. It just isn't Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF. It is Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle ATF, which by the way is also OEM certified by both Ford and General motors.

Well, that covers the big three auto makers that certified the Castrol multi-vehicle ATF vs the zero that certify Valvoline for their 'multi-vehicle' product.

And if on the other you are going to market a completely unendorsed, unevaluated product like the Valvoline ATF where the oil company itself says "it should be noted that MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF is not an OEM licensed product. The respective vehicle manufacturers have neither evaluated nor endorsed MaxLife Multi-Vehicle ATF in these applications.", well why stop at just 3 makes of cars? You might as well shoot for the moon. If you can't back it up for Ford, GM and Toyota because none of those OEM certified your product, why stop at 3, why not be bold and list 32 different makes and models of cars or spec that you also do not meet? That is what Valvoline does with this product. If you don't meet any certification at all, might as well list more than two dozen certification that you don't have.

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #4875790 09/22/18 10:17 AM
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Blake the Castrol has not been updated since 2013. You are free to call Castrol yourself like I did, and you can get the same answer I did. It also says certified right on the bottle of the product. You asked by whom -- I answered. Castrol mentioned JWS 3324 to me first, I did not volunteer any spec # at all to Castrol, asked them to name the OEM certification they have for the product and who provided the OEM certification. They mentioned JWS 3324 the spec that is met, and Aisin the approver.

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #4875993 09/22/18 03:24 PM
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Heres a May 2018 PDS from Castrol:
Castrol Transmax Full Synthetic Multi-Vehicle ATF

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #5172616 07/27/19 10:21 PM
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Notating for future reference.

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #5199838 08/29/19 12:12 PM
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You know, I got so tired of this discussion I dropped the pan on my Tundra's A760, cleaned it out, put in a new filter, and filled it back up with MaxLife red bottle in June @80k miles. Towed, hauled, abused it since. Drives fine. What I won't do is wait 80k miles again though - "lifetime fill" is a "duration of warranty fill" or a short life.

Older 4 speed AW and JATCO transmissions get the blue bottle MaxLife, since they spec Type IV/Nissanmatic D, and anecdotally shifted better in my fleet.

Realistically, we're really all talking anecdotes anyways, unless you show me pre- and post- UOAs of full transmission lifetimes using each different fluid.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #5200535 08/30/19 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Bandito440
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do dealers still sell T-IV? its sunday here

Yes. You can also order T-IV and its many equivalents online. There are a handful of OEM transmission fluids that are all rebottled Mobil 3309.
can you tell us what brands are rebottled JWS 3309 other than the Toyota OEM

Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: jrvn] #5200571 08/30/19 10:02 AM
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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: homeyclaus] #5200660 08/30/19 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by homeyclaus
You know, I got so tired of this discussion I dropped the pan on my Tundra's A760, cleaned it out, put in a new filter, and filled it back up with MaxLife red bottle in June @80k miles. Towed, hauled, abused it since. Drives fine. What I won't do is wait 80k miles again though - "lifetime fill" is a "duration of warranty fill" or a short life.

Older 4 speed AW and JATCO transmissions get the blue bottle MaxLife, since they spec Type IV/Nissanmatic D, and anecdotally shifted better in my fleet.

Realistically, we're really all talking anecdotes anyways, unless you show me pre- and post- UOAs of full transmission lifetimes using each different fluid.


Good choice another drain and fill every 30-50K miles and you will always have fresh fluid and should have a reliable transmission.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: homeyclaus] #5200675 08/30/19 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by homeyclaus

Older 4 speed AW and JATCO transmissions get the blue bottle MaxLife, since they spec Type IV/Nissanmatic D, and anecdotally shifted better in my fleet.


I've noticed that too with MaxLife and older Toyota trannies that use T-IV. My parent's Sienna had what I call a flutter on MaxLife, it shifted fine on T-IV. I had an LS400 that shifted fine on Castrol IMV but had soft shifts on MaxLife. Although MaxLife and other low-viscosity ATFs are "synthetic" or blends, they are the same viscosity as sheared down and used Dex III/Mercon V/T-IV fluids.

But, I've used it in a Subaru calling for ATF HP and a Nissan calling for Dex-III with no issues?

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you swear on the Holy bible that AISIN T-IV is just rebadged MOBIL JWS 3309
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Re: Maxlife ATF for Toyota WS [Re: Bandito440] #5200775 08/30/19 02:57 PM
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Maxlife in 2012 Corolla, shifts the same as on WS. I've done four drain and fills. I'm at about 85% Maxlife now works great for me.

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