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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: rekit] #5169669 07/24/19 11:45 AM
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Not sure what we rented, but it was a 2020 Corolla a few months ago in CO. The car was great (we had a 2007-don't ask....) but the transmission would zoom unexpectedly -like going down a hill it would hit 3000-4000 (on cruise). I never understood what it was trying to do. We rented a Sentra last year and it was great-whatever it had. Utah is 80 mph and it was cool to see 1900 rpm at 82 or so, and it did much less shifting. Almost seamless.

Software knows you are going downhill so it is trying to help you slow down so you do not overwhelm brakes, which is very easy in Toyota.


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It seems like Toyota CVTs aren't dropping like flies and tend to hold up well. The new Corolla is built on a new platform(TNGA) and from my test drive of a 2018 Camry and riding in many 2016-2018 Prii as carpools and Ubers they still have the Toyota hallmark of comfy but lazy. But if you beckon, the new TNGA platform cars can be un-Toyotalike and actually feel pretty good.

Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: edyvw] #5169744 07/24/19 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

Software knows you are going downhill so it is trying to help you slow down so you do not overwhelm brakes, which is very easy in Toyota.


that is exactly not what it was doing.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: badtlc] #5169872 07/24/19 04:15 PM
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Software knows you are going downhill so it is trying to help you slow down so you do not overwhelm brakes, which is very easy in Toyota.


that is exactly not what it was doing.

What was it doing? Serious question here.
I drove CVT only as rental, and one will never find its way in my garage, so seriously do not know why would downhill raise rpms?


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: skyactiv] #5169887 07/24/19 04:36 PM
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Engine braking is more efficient and reduces brake wear. Toyota brakes are very capable contrary to one “opinion” posted previously.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: PimTac] #5170226 07/24/19 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PimTac
Engine braking is more efficient and reduces brake wear. Toyota brakes are very capable contrary to one “opinion” posted previously.

Compared to average in the microwave class, perhaps.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: edyvw] #5170255 07/25/19 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Engine braking is more efficient and reduces brake wear. Toyota brakes are very capable contrary to one “opinion” posted previously.

Compared to average in the microwave class, perhaps.


To be perfectly fair, excluding the Supra and 86, Toyota’s line up doesn’t inspire the driver to use more than 25% of the throttle or brakes anyway.

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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: Skippy722] #5170260 07/25/19 02:24 AM
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Engine braking is more efficient and reduces brake wear. Toyota brakes are very capable contrary to one “opinion” posted previously.

Compared to average in the microwave class, perhaps.


To be perfectly fair, excluding the Supra and 86, Toyota’s line up doesn’t inspire the driver to use more than 25% of the throttle or brakes anyway.

Generally they have OK stopping power first time, after that it is downhill.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: skyactiv] #5170425 07/25/19 09:54 AM
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I've seen the new Corolla in the wild and it's not a bad looking sedan IMO. The hatchback version is pretty good looking too and apparently, from some of the reviews I've seen, feels pretty good driving it. So it looks like Toyota's partnership with Mazda is having a positive effect here.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: skyactiv] #5170494 07/25/19 11:18 AM
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The "hill" we were on was not a steep mountain road, just an average valley road. If I took my foot off the gas (out of CC) the car would have slowed down. So, like I said, I don't know why it zoomed. Maybe Toyota does-or not...And I love Toyotas, since my first 1971 Celica to my 2001 Tacoma and many in between.in our extended Family. I have read the new Tacomas transmissions do the same on CC. Zoom up to 4-5000 just to hold 80 mph on cruise, on a flat road. Up and down, up and down. My 01 never does that.

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The "hill" we were on was not a steep mountain road, just an average valley road. If I took my foot off the gas (out of CC) the car would have slowed down. So, like I said, I don't know why it zoomed. Maybe Toyota does-or not...And I love Toyotas, since my first 1971 Celica to my 2001 Tacoma and many in between.in our extended Family. I have read the new Tacomas transmissions do the same on CC. Zoom up to 4-5000 just to hold 80 mph on cruise, on a flat road. Up and down, up and down. My 01 never does that.

I've never seen that happen on my parent's Sienna or their LS430. A Prius will go into regen laying off the gas on a hill(and if you put into in B, it will also spin the gas engine with no spark to decelerate and orchestrate the two motor/generators to simulate engine braking).

Could be the CVT was programmed to simulate a stepped AT? I know Toyota made theirs to act like one with the "simulated" 6-8 gears.

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Sounds like it was using engine braking going down the hill so as to hold speed. Some cars do that.

I know my Tundra will drop gears (multiple) if I use cruise control. I think the system is slow to respond, so when it does apply throttle, it winds up being aggressive about it. So I generally avoid using it as it gets old, fast.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: edyvw] #5170632 07/25/19 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Software knows you are going downhill so it is trying to help you slow down so you do not overwhelm brakes, which is very easy in Toyota.


that is exactly not what it was doing.

What was it doing? Serious question here.
I drove CVT only as rental, and one will never find its way in my garage, so seriously do not know why would downhill raise rpms?

Our Outback does the same thing while using cruise, raises the rpm to increase engine braking to maintain the cruise speed when going down a hill. Why they do this is another question, I guess its easy to do seamlessly with a CVT. But I want my free MPGs so I bump it out of cruise and let it roll with the engine braking it gets at 1400rpm.


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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: skyactiv] #5170930 07/25/19 09:08 PM
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Recently rented one with the smaller engine. It was an acceptable low end car. And not much more can be said about it.

Mpg was 28 with me at the helm in mixed driving. Worse than the V6 impala I had before it.

Interesting that the high end Corolla costa as much as a low end V6 impala. Which is twice the car.

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Re: Thoughts on the 2020 Corolla sedan with the new 2.0 and geared CVT [Re: skyactiv] #5171086 07/26/19 06:41 AM
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Rented a 2020 Corolla yesterday while in Florida for work. Put about 250 miles on it and averaged 41 mpg. Not a bad car IMO. Our particular car only had 4500 miles on it. It accelerated better than I expected, had plenty of power to pass when needed on I-10 and rode pretty good for a small car. I think it would make an excellent choice for a work car, a college student, or for a young couple starting out.

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