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Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167043 07/21/19 09:11 AM
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Sorry OP.. after finishing my last post I see that I just stated what you had said just minutes before me.

And fwiw, thanks for adding your first hand knowledge on this topic. 👍

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167057 07/21/19 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldDot40
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Are you privy to the mixing process. Which brand do you consider best.

Not really. There aren't any secrets to be told. It's mostly just a lot of "I heard it's done this way or that way", and then it's often misunderstood or explained incorrectly when information moves along from person to person.

I'll be honest, I really don't have an opinion on what's best. However, the guys who run the terminal say that Motiva (Shell) has the best additive package...if there has to be a "best". In reality, anything labeled Top Tier has to meet a minimum standard which makes the quality across the spectrum pretty close.

What do I run in my personal vehicle you may ask? Most of the time, I buy from Kroger. It's convenient and saves me money. Gotta love those fuel points.

That's actually the principle selling point of TT. That the consumer can be assured that the gas they're getting meets a higher standard than the EPA minimum. Now within the TT ecosystem, you'll find brands that go even further than TT requirements, like 76 as I mentioned. Their website says their fuel is 3.5x EPA and 1.5x the TT mandate.

Fwiw, I use Chevron and 76 almost exclusively mainly because of the two companies long history in CA where I grew up, I'm unabashedly loyal to them. That said, I have no qualms buying another TT brand (Costco, ARCO) if the other two aren't an option. I know if it says TT I'm getting some of the best fuel I can for my vehicle.

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: eljefino] #5167059 07/21/19 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Talk "spot" deliveries... if you head out with 3500 gallons but the station only "takes" 2600 do you have a friendly place to get rid of the rest?

Or are logistics so good now that this almost never happens?

Almost all stores today have their inventory monitored via internet. Dispatchers sit and watch inventory all day long, then create and order to send to the driver to load and deliver.

Sending too much product is rare, but does happen. So if I get to a store that has been dispatched too much...let's say 500 gallons won't fit...I take a tank reading before I deliver....for 2 reasons.

1st, I determine the exact level of what's already in the tank. That way I know for sure whether all of my load will fit. 2nd, I test for water. Basically put a paste on the end of the stick. If it changes color...we know there is water intrusion. The pumps get shut down until it's figured out in this case.

Back to too much product. If I determine I have 500 gallons that won't fit, I will offload my biggest compartments. The smallest compartment is 1000 gallons. I will not break that compartment. I simply call dispatch and tell them I need a home for 1000 gallons of "XXXXX" branded gasoline. They will look in the system and find a branded store (hopefully close by) that I divert the retained product to. All of this HAS to be approved on the dispatch side of things. I cannot take product wherever I want.

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: Audios] #5167066 07/21/19 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Audios
So you be hauling around 3k gallons of no name cheapo regular, and also 3k gallons of the better EM regular product?
Yes, my tanker has 5 compartments. So I could haul 5 totally different brands if needed.
Can you shed any light as to the rumors that the no name stations can only sell fuel older than 30 days or do they just have less additives?
An unbranded store can sell gas a "fresh" as any other. Almost all grocery stores that have sell fuel are unbranded....the same product that Stop-N-Shop down the road sells. Some of these grocery stores sells an enormous amount of fuel.
Also, any clarification to rumors to additives in diesel?
Ive been seeing a good jump with Sunoco, but cant find any answers as to their blends.
Diesel does have some additives injected into it, but for the most part diesel is diesel....regardless of brand.


Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167072 07/21/19 09:42 AM
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How does your terminal handle additives? Is there an above ground storage tank for each additive "brand"? In your 6,000 gallon delivery to Marathon, that might call for only 3 to 10 gallons of additive by the loading system.

Gasoline and diesel additives are a big business. Lubrizol has many customers for product and it is owned by Berkshire Hathaway. Infineum is jointly owned by XOM and Shell so I assume both Exxon/Mobil and Shell would get an Infineum addtive. Chevron owns Oronite, so an Oronite additive should be in Chevron/Texaco fuel. Once you get below the majors, I can see the terminal wholesaling RUG with a standard additive package from, say, Lubrizol or Afton to all of the independents in the area.

Savannah is not on a pipeline and everything comes in by ship to Colonial Oil (not the same as Colonial Pipeline) and is wholesaled out from their tank farm. The only difference in product for this market, from branded to the most obscure, is the additive package added at the terminal.

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167082 07/21/19 09:51 AM
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GoldDot40,

How accurate is the octane the consumer gets at the pump ?

Is there an acceptable + / - percentage of accuracy ?

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Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167097 07/21/19 10:09 AM
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OP, welcome.

Something I've always wondered during these crazy times - I've always assumed you tanker drivers have background checks, etc. True? You are hauling a lot of mayhem.

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Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: GoldDot40] #5167138 07/21/19 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldDot40
Independent stations often have a branded marquee. That's what they are selling. If a store doesn't have a specified brand, it gets "soup of the day". Basically a non-branded product that is distributed through one of the big brands.

Marathon branded or Marathon unbranded.

Around here, all Marathon-branded stations are privately-owned and I presume they license the Marathon name. What you're saying is they absolutely are selling Marathon fuel though. This is in Ohio, by the way. I know you mentioned state agencies, regulations, etc previously so it might vary and if you don't know Ohio's rules, well, I understand. On the topic of Marathon, they are supposed to be a Top Tier brand but no Marathon station I've ran across (a dozen or so ?) have TT stickers on their pumps. To be frank, the majority of Marathon stations aren't the nicest looking places so I have only purchased fuel at them minimal times.

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Originally Posted by GoldDot40
What do I run in my personal vehicle you may ask? Most of the time, I buy from Kroger. It's convenient and saves me money. Gotta love those fuel points.

A lot of people critique store-branded gasoline like Kroger, Murphy, Sam's Club as being low quality but generally speaking, what fuel do they get ? Personally I can't see a company like Kroger, Sam's Club, etc risking their reputation on cheap, poor quality fuel. They also sell, as you said in another post, a lot of fuel.That's definitely the case around here too with Sam's being the busiest, with a line of cars most of the day.

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So the cheaper store brand/smaller stations fuels are just selling the base gasoline as it comes from the fuel terminal with no additional additives?


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Great post. I'm looking forward to more Qs&As.


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Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: bubbatime] #5167160 07/21/19 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bubbatime
So the cheaper store brand/smaller stations fuels are just selling the base gasoline as it comes from the fuel terminal with no additional additives?

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The difference between branded vs unbranded is the quality level of the additive package used. Nearly all branded gas falls under Top Tier requirements. Unbranded product gets more generic additives...but still distributed by a big name supplier. Even still, with all the EPA regulations, even unbranded gasoline has to meet the standards to be sold.

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: hallstevenson] #5167161 07/21/19 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hallstevenson
Originally Posted by GoldDot40
Independent stations often have a branded marquee. That's what they are selling. If a store doesn't have a specified brand, it gets "soup of the day". Basically a non-branded product that is distributed through one of the big brands.

Marathon branded or Marathon unbranded.

Around here, all Marathon-branded stations are privately-owned and I presume they license the Marathon name. What you're saying is they absolutely are selling Marathon fuel though. This is in Ohio, by the way. I know you mentioned state agencies, regulations, etc previously so it might vary and if you don't know Ohio's rules, well, I understand. On the topic of Marathon, they are supposed to be a Top Tier brand but no Marathon station I've ran across (a dozen or so ?) have TT stickers on their pumps. To be frank, the majority of Marathon stations aren't the nicest looking places so I have only purchased fuel at them minimal times.


Marathon stations are (I believe 100%) franchise, while Speedway stores are wholly owned by Marathon Petroleum Corp. There was an activist investor push a few years back to spin off Speedway, but MPC decided to keep them.

I'm also interested in grocery store gasoline. I fill up frequently at a grocery store and have always wondered where the product comes from. So any one day it might be a different generic major brand product?

Thank you for answering all these questions. I'm sure it is frustrating to hear a bunch of know-it-alls make up nonsense about gasoline logistics, so thank you for helping sort things out.

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I know that each station pump has a filter. What kind of filtering process does the gasoline go through leaving the bulk tanks and arriving at the gas station tanks?

Describe the biggest goof or interesting incident you have made delivering fuel (we all have one).

Re: Fuel Tanker Driver Here [Re: VetteElite] #5167171 07/21/19 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by VetteElite
Marathon stations are (I believe 100%) franchise, while Speedway stores are wholly owned by Marathon Petroleum Corp. There was an activist investor push a few years back to spin off Speedway, but MPC decided to keep them.
I probably buy most of my fuel at Speedway but I've tried to stop doing so as much lately. One reason is they [censored] me off the way they jack prices up 30c to 50c in a single day and most other stations follow suit and the second is, at least with the Speedway in our small town, their prices are always 25-40c higher than other Speedways in the next (larger) towns over. The few other stations in our town match their pricing too.

Regarding what fuel they get, as we're finding out from GoldDot40, the name on the tanker doesn't mean a whole lot. Speedway has their own branded tankers or I've seen Marathon-branded tankers filling their tanks. I do want to say that the Speedway tankers are typically pulled by a Marathon tractor though so it's nothing more than a rolling billboard in that sense.

I do have to wonder now, since Speedway isn't a fuel processor, can they sell any brand of fuel from their stations ? Or does their Marathon ownership dictate it is in fact Marathon fuel ?

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