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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166174 07/20/19 10:01 AM
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It’s a 2AR—FE.
PVC replaced with OEM, made no difference.
Absolutely no leaks.
Never smokes on start-up.
So...do you think it’s only consuming oil at lengthy trips of high speed? Again, it’s driven lots of miles, all highway of about 70mph.
Rate of oil consumption has not changed for at least 50k miles.
If only burning when it’s at speed and never smoke at start-up, would 0w-30 make more sense...at least keeping the 0w part of Toyota’s recommendation?
(I know 0w-30 can be hard to find, but we’d just try Amsoil SS since we already use their small engine stuff for our business equipment)




Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166191 07/20/19 10:12 AM
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Then again, looking at the SS formulas’ chart, their 5w-20 has a NOACK of only 5.8!
(Who knows if NOACK would make any difference in consumption in this situation though...)




Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166201 07/20/19 10:23 AM
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Shell Australia says you can use 0W20-15W40 in your car.

I would use either a 5W or 10W30.


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2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166228 07/20/19 10:44 AM
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as noted 5-30 in winter + 10-30 in summer as the xx-20's prolly wore the engine sooner than a xx-30 would have! as said many times by many people xx-20 is for a minute mpg gain while EPA testing, stop-start is similar!

Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: benjy] #5166229 07/20/19 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by benjy
as noted 5-30 in winter + 10-30 in summer as the xx-20's prolly wore the engine sooner than a xx-30 would have! as said many times by many people xx-20 is for a minute mpg gain while EPA testing, stop-start is similar!

Oh brother....

Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166235 07/20/19 10:50 AM
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I wouldn’t “waste” the money on Amsoil if you’re having to add a quart every 1500 miles. That will be super expensive with no real benefits. To me, Amsoil really only makes financial sense if you can do the oil change and not have to add any new oil until you’re draining it. If I were in your shoes, to keep the cost down and still protect the engine:

Buy QSUD 5w30 jugs from Walmart
Use Fram Ultra filter
Add 1 quart every 1500 miles
Change filter every 20k

Never perform a “normal” OCI again because your sump is being turned over about every 7k miles anyway since you are constantly refreshing the additives and TBN. Your engine will still be protected just fine.


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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166304 07/20/19 12:07 PM
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I'll be interested to see if your oil usage halts once you start using a W30.


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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166319 07/20/19 12:38 PM
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You can find 0w30 M1 AFE at wally pretty cheaply and easily if you want to go that route


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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166393 07/20/19 02:54 PM
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Try a HM 5W30.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166566 07/20/19 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by lukejo
2012 Camry. 199,000 miles. All highway driving. Having to add 1 quart every 1,500 miles. No leaks. Have tried both PP and M1 in EP and AP, and usage was the same.
If I want to stay in grade, do you think any other brands would do any better?


See signature. Valvoline Restore before Illinois winter arrives. Then EDGE HM 0W20 from Walmart. Your problem is obviously piston ring coking and/or valve stem seal wear.

The EDGE has a low phosphorus add pack, just like green bottle HM. Constantly top off and pass smog checks. That's what I see in your future.

I have lived this several times. Toyota 4 bangers start consuming oil around 150k-250k miles. I have logged 1.5 million miles + on Toyota 4 bangers. Your engine has a high propensity for this issue.

My $0.02 ...


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Re: Which 0W20 to slow use [Re: lukejo] #5166816 07/20/19 10:57 PM
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My Accord burns about a quart every thousand. It’s extremely consistent and the brand/weight seems to make no difference at all. I’ve tried conventional, synthetic blend, synthetic, 5w20, 5w30 and 10w30 with no difference. I assume it’s due to the oil control rings and as such, the weight really shouldn’t make a difference based on my research. Granted, mine has over 3 times as many miles as yours. No leaks or visible burning aside from some discoloration on the bumper. I had a Scion tC before this with the notorious 2AZ-FE ring issue and the brand/weight also made no difference in that car.


07 Honda Accord - 627k - Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5W-20/Wix 57356
98 Camaro Z28 (Bright Purple Metallic, 1 of 104) - 127k - Mobil 1 HM 5W-30/Fram Pro Synthetic XG3506
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