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Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? #5163677 07/17/19 05:48 PM
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Hello,

I'm starting this thread after a conversation a friend of mine and I had about this topic. He firmly believes the car hobby is slowly dying. He thinks people are moving into the direction of self driving cars and them being a toy like a phone rather than a hobby. We both agree that old cars will always hold some value and have some following, but do you think the hobby is shrinking or growing?

Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163683 07/17/19 06:00 PM
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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163688 07/17/19 06:04 PM
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My sense is that working on cars out of necessity is falling partially due to the increased reliability of modern cars. However, hobby/tinkering is staying strong. There are still plenty of folks that turn out for car meets, etc.

The notion that Millennials ALL want to be driven around by self driving cars while watching cartoons in the back seat is not true.

Interestingly, 80s and 90s cars are now becoming cool or collectible. It makes sense - cool old cars are usually the ones that are 30 years old, which is what these cars are becoming.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163700 07/17/19 06:19 PM
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Cars are being viewed more & more like appliances!
Long are gone the days when you had to know HOW to drive.
Car Enthusiasts R.I.P.

Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Pelican] #5163706 07/17/19 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pelican
Cars are being viewed more & more like appliances!
Long are gone the days when you had to know HOW to drive.
Car Enthusiasts R.I.P.



Rather true ^^^^^^^


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163711 07/17/19 06:31 PM
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I certainly don't see the level of enthusiasm for cars that I saw 50 years ago. We can put the blame in many places, including economic reasons.

But the bottom line is that many modern cars are no fun to drive.

I recently drove a well constructed resto-rod 67 mustang with a well built and tuned 347 cubic inch engine. I think the engine made just over 425HP on the dyno, shy of it's promised 450, but not too shabby.

It was hyper responsive, and an absolute blast to drive. Maybe if more cars were incredibly fun, people would embrace the sport. But what do I know.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163712 07/17/19 06:32 PM
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This thread will be locked before long, lol.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163715 07/17/19 06:36 PM
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They said the same thing when ECMs were introduced, and the same thing when hybrids/EVs debuted.

There are already aspects of self driving cars (lane departure assist, adaptive cruise control, whatever system detects an imminent rear end collision and applies the brakes) that are pretty standard on new cars. Meanwhile, there are still new manual transmission cars being sold with these features.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Pelican] #5163722 07/17/19 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pelican
Cars are being viewed more & more like appliances!
Long are gone the days when you had to know HOW to drive.
Car Enthusiasts R.I.P.


And that same sentiment has been uttered by every generation since automobiles were first invented.

My guess is that you don't get out to many car shows where the crowds are far larger than they were just 10 years ago. Not the boy racer crowd, but serious younger enthusiasts who enjoy real cars. And you don't follow the appreciating values of real classic cars-not the ricer or german stuff, but real serious enthusiast cars.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163724 07/17/19 06:49 PM
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Young people view a car as a necessity to get from point A to point B. Unless Uber is better. My wife's daughters did not get a license until after 25 yr old.

When I was young I knew what all of the popular cars looked like so I could say what a car was without seeing any markings of the make/model. I knew what most of the popular V8 engines were is displacement in cu in.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163734 07/17/19 07:02 PM
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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163740 07/17/19 07:08 PM
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I wouldn’t say dying, but it’s definitely shifting. Less old school and more new school. The local Mopar groups I’m a part of are mostly newer cars and trucks, but it’s mostly younger people as well. Cars and Coffee’s are all over, and my county has a couple of HUGE cruise ins during the summer and fall months where you’ll see everything from awesome old school classics to modern stuff.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: Redright9] #5163741 07/17/19 07:11 PM
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Young people suck as usual response.

What is happening is that those who were into the hobby are dying off and not being replaced.
The same thing is happening to coin collectors.

When I was growing up, my dad was into restoring old 1960's Pontiacs. We went to car shows, swap meets and it was fun.

There is a big difference in the older cars from from the 50's and 60's and a few models before 1975 compared to the older cars from the 80's and 90's. The simplicity of the older cars makes them a lot easier to provide a fuller market of restoration parts. Too many unique parts on vehicles from the 80's and onward's unlike a 65 Mustang.

Good luck trying to find the odd parts to restore something like a Dodge Shadow turbo, a 1990 Ford Taurus SHO or even an 87 Old Cutlass Supreme.
The F body, Fox body and Corvette will/has some parts availability.

BTW, my oldest brother was lucky to be brought home from the hospital as a new born in a 69' GTO Judge.


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Re: Is the car hobby/enthusiast a dying breed? [Re: skyactiv] #5163748 07/17/19 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skyactiv
When I was growing up, my dad was into restoring old 1960's Pontiacs.


If we assume you were born in the 70s, then these would have been 10-15 year old cars at the time.

A 10-year-old car now is a 2010. Those are seen as modern, new cars that rarely break down.

My point is, 1960s cars were crappy out of the factory. Therefore more people needed to know how to fix them.

Nowdays, 2000s cars are not much different in both reliability and performance as a new 2020.


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The factories have made it pretty easy.
You can buy a Ford/Chev/Dodge with the same horsepower as the Indy 500 cars down at your local dealer.
Back when I was a kid, it was darn near miraculous to make 700 hp on gasoline.

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