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2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) #5156430
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I finally got the results for the RTMV and all I can say is wow, it is by far the best UOA I got on this engine! 6 iron ppm, 2 cu ppm and 2 al ppm.

It is also the longest run so far on this engine. I ran it a bit harder than before a bit too.

I sent it to OAI because some people on this board said that BS doesn't calculate fuel dilution correctly, but OAI is consistent with BS and no excess fuel is present.
I also sent it to BS because I had problems with OAI bottles at first, anyway.... I will add the BS report when I get it.

I guess I will stay away from GF5 oils that shears like crazy in this engine, RTMV is a good deal imo.

Filter was Wix 57055.

I also included the previous UOAs done by BS.

Forester XT T6 Multi.jpgForester XT QSUD.jpg

2015 Forester XT @ 92000km
Current fill: Mobil ESP Formula 5w-30 with Fram Ultra XG7317
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5156433
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CST looks high at 11.0 compared to your other UOAs.. here is a VOA of the T6 MV

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4629626/Shell_Rotella_T6_Multi-Vehicle

Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: krismoriah72] #5156452
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Originally Posted by krismoriah72
CST looks high at 11.0 compared to your other UOAs.. here is a VOA of the T6 MV

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4629626/Shell_Rotella_T6_Multi-Vehicle


From the PDS, it is 12.1, so not too far off.
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2015 Forester XT @ 92000km
Current fill: Mobil ESP Formula 5w-30 with Fram Ultra XG7317
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5156515
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Regarding the fuel dilution; note that Polaris shows "estimate" because the viscosity is so good. It's a higher HTHS and KV100 oil compared to a GF-5 oil and so even if there's some fuel in there, it's a strong showing with the Rotella. They don't automatically test for fuel via GC; it needs to be lower than expected viscosity for the grade or maybe you could ask for a GC test.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5156526
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Nice work, but if the head gaskets are the failure cause, does it really make that much difference on the oil PPMs?

Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: nascarnation] #5156544
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Originally Posted by nascarnation
Nice work, but if the head gaskets are the failure cause, does it really make that much difference on the oil PPMs?


FA20DIT does not have the old EJ head gasket issues, so no worries there.

In fact the HG issues has been fixed since around 2011 and it was mostly on the NA EJ engines.


2015 Forester XT @ 92000km
Current fill: Mobil ESP Formula 5w-30 with Fram Ultra XG7317
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5156689
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The iron PPM is what stands out to me compared to my UOA of RGT. The copper and AL are similar but the iron was 10 PPM on my UOA of RGT.


2015 WRX FA20F
QSUD 5W-30
Tokyo Roki 15208AA170 filter

Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: FA_WRX] #5156721
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Originally Posted by FA_WRX
The iron PPM is what stands out to me compared to my UOA of RGT. The copper and AL are similar but the iron was 10 PPM on my UOA of RGT.


I am impressed with the iron ppm per mile as well compared to the other UOAs, it is almost half of all the oils tested.


2015 Forester XT @ 92000km
Current fill: Mobil ESP Formula 5w-30 with Fram Ultra XG7317
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5157334
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Looking good, but no surprise there.


Plain, simple Garak.

2008 Infiniti G37 - Shell ROTELLA T6 Multi-Vehicle 5w-30, Wix 57356
1984 F-150 4.9L - Quaker State GB 10w-30, Wix 51515
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: dustyroads] #5157530
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Originally Posted by dustyroads
Regarding the fuel dilution; note that Polaris shows "estimate" because the viscosity is so good. It's a higher HTHS and KV100 oil compared to a GF-5 oil and so even if there's some fuel in there, it's a strong showing with the Rotella. They don't automatically test for fuel via GC; it needs to be lower than expected viscosity for the grade or maybe you could ask for a GC test.

I think I mentioned this to jbutch in another thread. smile2 Or did I mention it to someone else? ???
Anyway, good uoa. cheers

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Since I'm considering a '20 OBXT, I hope they don't spec 0W-20 in it like in the Ascent. Maybe they're spec 5W-30 because of the fuel dilution issues in the Ascent (and the purported fuel dilution issues in pre-production '20 Outbacks). Would definitely consider this oil in a new OBXT.
#hateCAFE

Last edited by bluesubie; 07/11/19 09:00 AM.

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Castrol Edge 0W-40
Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: bluesubie] #5157604
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Originally Posted by bluesubie
Originally Posted by dustyroads
Regarding the fuel dilution; note that Polaris shows "estimate" because the viscosity is so good. It's a higher HTHS and KV100 oil compared to a GF-5 oil and so even if there's some fuel in there, it's a strong showing with the Rotella. They don't automatically test for fuel via GC; it needs to be lower than expected viscosity for the grade or maybe you could ask for a GC test.

I think I mentioned this to jbutch in another thread. smile2 Or did I mention it to someone else? ???
Anyway, good uoa. cheers

OT
Since I'm considering a '20 OBXT, I hope they don't spec 0W-20 in it like in the Ascent. Maybe they're spec 5W-30 because of the fuel dilution issues in the Ascent (and the purported fuel dilution issues in pre-production '20 Outbacks). Would definitely consider this oil in a new OBXT.
#hateCAFE


You did mention it but I had difficulties with OAI container and forgot to ask for GC it....

OBXT will most likely be 0w-20, unfortunately.

Going from GF5 to HDEO, I have not seen a drop inn MPG. #hateCAFE

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Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5157766
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Multi-Vehicle 5w30 is excellent with a low Seq IVA.
Don't hesitate to use it in the Subaru 2.4T.
I wouldn't use an ILSAC in a Subie.
Maybe use Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30.

Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: bluesubie] #5157964
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Originally Posted by bluesubie
OT
Since I'm considering a '20 OBXT, I hope they don't spec 0W-20 in it like in the Ascent. Maybe they're spec 5W-30 because of the fuel dilution issues in the Ascent (and the purported fuel dilution issues in pre-production '20 Outbacks). Would definitely consider this oil in a new OBXT.
#hateCAFE


Hi, I run SubaruOutback.org and yes 0W-20 is the Subaru recommended oil in the 2020 Outback XT. That being said the owners manual states that it is acceptable to use a full synthetic 5W-30 if need be. Rotella T6 multi-vehicle may be the best 5W-30 on the market IMHO. I'm trying out Rotella Gas Truck 5W-30 in my vehicles right now and will probably get T6 Multi in the future when rebates are available.


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Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5158391
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"Rotella T6 multi-vehicle may be the best 5W-30 on the market IMHO"

You might be right. A Dexos2 5w30/0w40 would be good as well.
Personally, I would never run 0w20 or an ILSAC in a Subaru.

Re: 2015 Subaru Forester XT, Rotella T6 Multi Vehicle, 7214 km (≈ 4500 miles) [Re: jbutch] #5158427
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I'm very tempted to try this in my car next OCI. It does look like a very good option for 5w-30.

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