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Sorry if this is mentioned in the video, I wasn't able to play it with the sound on right now...for those who might not be aware, an A-12 can be viewed at the Intrepid museum in NYC.
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Sorry if this is mentioned in the video, I wasn't able to play it with the sound on right now...for those who might not be aware, an A-12 can be viewed at the Intrepid museum in NYC.
Yep, when I visited NYC in 2010, some friends from the net (Co-Mod from Screamforme, the Bruce Dickinson site...day before I met Gary Allen) took us there...as we approached, I saw an SR71...nope, it was an A12 they told me...I didn't learn until a few years ago what that meant.
The Concord was way cool...and Mike (my co-mod's husband) told me all about his Dad in the mercury retrieval team (that box was tiny)
Sorry if this is mentioned in the video, I wasn't able to play it with the sound on right now...for those who might not be aware, an A-12 can be viewed at the Intrepid museum in NYC.
Yep, when I visited NYC in 2010, some friends from the net (Co-Mod from Screamforme, the Bruce Dickinson site...day before I met Gary Allen) took us there...as we approached, I saw an SR71...nope, it was an A12 they told me...I didn't learn until a few years ago what that meant.
The Concord was way cool...and Mike (my co-mod's husband) told me all about his Dad in the mercury retrieval team (that box was tiny)
There's been a number of amazing prototypes built over the years that the public has no idea they ever existed.
Even those of us involved very deeply in the aviation world don't get many opportunities to deal with them,
or their "non-disclosure agreements" don't have an expiration date (at least the ones I have signed never did).
Even those of us involved very deeply in the aviation world don't get many opportunities to deal with them,
or their "non-disclosure agreements" don't have an expiration date (at least the ones I have signed never did).
Originally Posted by Shannow
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Sorry if this is mentioned in the video, I wasn't able to play it with the sound on right now...for those who might not be aware, an A-12 can be viewed at the Intrepid museum in NYC.
Yep, when I visited NYC in 2010, some friends from the net (Co-Mod from Screamforme, the Bruce Dickinson site...day before I met Gary Allen) took us there...as we approached, I saw an SR71...nope, it was an A12 they told me...I didn't learn until a few years ago what that meant.
The Concord was way cool...and Mike (my co-mod's husband) told me all about his Dad in the mercury retrieval team (that box was tiny)
THE Bruce Dickinson?!?!?
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JK, I know you meant this guy from Iron Maiden...
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I used to get chills listening to him belt out Run To The Hills as a teen...still like Iron Maiden from that era a lot!
He's an interesting guy, know that he flew airliners and had a number of other interests.
Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Sorry if this is mentioned in the video, I wasn't able to play it with the sound on right now...for those who might not be aware, an A-12 can be viewed at the Intrepid museum in NYC.
Yep, when I visited NYC in 2010, some friends from the net (Co-Mod from Screamforme, the Bruce Dickinson site...day before I met Gary Allen) took us there...as we approached, I saw an SR71...nope, it was an A12 they told me...I didn't learn until a few years ago what that meant.
The Concord was way cool...and Mike (my co-mod's husband) told me all about his Dad in the mercury retrieval team (that box was tiny)
THE Bruce Dickinson?!?!?
JK, I know you meant this guy from Iron Maiden...
I used to get chills listening to him belt out Run To The Hills as a teen...still like Iron Maiden from that era a lot!
He's an interesting guy, know that he flew airliners and had a number of other interests.
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If you ever get to Dayton, OH, the Airforce Museum has the "only remaining" YF-12. basically a 2 seat A-12 that served as a bit of a prototype for the SR-71
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12 - last i was there (2010) it was in the "Research & Development" Gallery, which shared a hanger on Base with the Presidential Aircraft Gallery. They've since added another building on to the museum, and I THINK moved both into the new wing...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_YF-12 - last i was there (2010) it was in the "Research & Development" Gallery, which shared a hanger on Base with the Presidential Aircraft Gallery. They've since added another building on to the museum, and I THINK moved both into the new wing...
Interesting presentation on Oxcart
Originally Posted by fdcg27
Well, would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?
Same frame, different name.
I would say similar frame...
The YF-12 frame is very close to the A-12, but the SR-71 added some length, weight, and fuel capacity...making it a bit slower...
I've seen the A-12s at Intrepid, Dayton, and San Diego.
And the M-21 in Seattle.
And the Museum of the USAF in Dayton is a must-see for any aviation enthusiast. That museum is simply incredible!
Well, would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?
Same frame, different name.
I would say similar frame...
The YF-12 frame is very close to the A-12, but the SR-71 added some length, weight, and fuel capacity...making it a bit slower...
I've seen the A-12s at Intrepid, Dayton, and San Diego.
And the M-21 in Seattle.
And the Museum of the USAF in Dayton is a must-see for any aviation enthusiast. That museum is simply incredible!
Blackbird Airpark in Palmdale, Calif has an A-12, SR-71, D-21, and an U-2 on display. It's at the historic USAF Plant 42 and and next door to Skunkworks. There aren't many reasons to visit Palmdale but the Airpark makes it worth the detour.
Sorry to be late to the party but just wanted to say thanks to Shannow for raising this thread. The A12 was always a sort of blind spot to me and its supposed use as an interceptor was always a head scratcher to me as well. Linctex's mention of non-dosclosures with no expiration date reminded me of a recent discussion with an older gentleman, an uncle of a friend of mine, who was an ELINT specialist in the Korean War period. Excited to meet such a guy I asked him if he had *seen* some of the US radars supplied to the Russians under the Lend-Lease program in World War II? He got visibly cross with me and said we shouldn't talk about such things! You have to admire the faithfulness.
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Originally Posted by DeepFriar
Sorry to be late to the party but just wanted to say thanks to Shannow for raising this thread. The A12 was always a sort of blind spot to me and its supposed use as an interceptor was always a head scratcher to me as well. Linctex's mention of non-dosclosures with no expiration date reminded me of a recent discussion with an older gentleman, an uncle of a friend of mine, who was an ELINT specialist in the Korean War period. Excited to meet such a guy I asked him if he had *seen* some of the US radars supplied to the Russians under the Lend-Lease program in World War II? He got visibly cross with me and said we shouldn't talk about such things! You have to admire the faithfulness.
Why do you say its use as an interceptor is a head-scratcher?
Seems to me to be about the perfect interceptor to fly against something like a TU-22 or TU-160 (yes, I'm aware those came out later, especially the 160).
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
Sorry to be late to the party but just wanted to say thanks to Shannow for raising this thread. The A12 was always a sort of blind spot to me and its supposed use as an interceptor was always a head scratcher to me as well. Linctex's mention of non-dosclosures with no expiration date reminded me of a recent discussion with an older gentleman, an uncle of a friend of mine, who was an ELINT specialist in the Korean War period. Excited to meet such a guy I asked him if he had *seen* some of the US radars supplied to the Russians under the Lend-Lease program in World War II? He got visibly cross with me and said we shouldn't talk about such things! You have to admire the faithfulness.
Why do you say its use as an interceptor is a head-scratcher?
Seems to me to be about the perfect interceptor to fly against something like a TU-22 or TU-160 (yes, I'm aware those came out later, especially the 160).
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
Originally Posted by john_pifer
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
It didn't need to be intercepting a fast bomber, it just needed to need to get to the incoming bomber real fast. The YF-12 successfully intercepted a number of test drones from low altitude to high altitude.
There was also the bomber version, but I don't think that was ever built.
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
It didn't need to be intercepting a fast bomber, it just needed to need to get to the incoming bomber real fast. The YF-12 successfully intercepted a number of test drones from low altitude to high altitude.
There was also the bomber version, but I don't think that was ever built.
Originally Posted by john_pifer
Originally Posted by DeepFriar
Sorry to be late to the party but just wanted to say thanks to Shannow for raising this thread. The A12 was always a sort of blind spot to me and its supposed use as an interceptor was always a head scratcher to me as well. Linctex's mention of non-dosclosures with no expiration date reminded me of a recent discussion with an older gentleman, an uncle of a friend of mine, who was an ELINT specialist in the Korean War period. Excited to meet such a guy I asked him if he had *seen* some of the US radars supplied to the Russians under the Lend-Lease program in World War II? He got visibly cross with me and said we shouldn't talk about such things! You have to admire the faithfulness.
Why do you say its use as an interceptor is a head-scratcher?
Seems to me to be about the perfect interceptor to fly against something like a TU-22 or TU-160 (yes, I'm aware those came out later, especially the 160).
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
Kelly Johnson always said the US government bought the wrong aircraft. He said the F-12 was the one they should have bought, thinking the interceptor role was more important to national defense.
Originally Posted by DeepFriar
Sorry to be late to the party but just wanted to say thanks to Shannow for raising this thread. The A12 was always a sort of blind spot to me and its supposed use as an interceptor was always a head scratcher to me as well. Linctex's mention of non-dosclosures with no expiration date reminded me of a recent discussion with an older gentleman, an uncle of a friend of mine, who was an ELINT specialist in the Korean War period. Excited to meet such a guy I asked him if he had *seen* some of the US radars supplied to the Russians under the Lend-Lease program in World War II? He got visibly cross with me and said we shouldn't talk about such things! You have to admire the faithfulness.
Why do you say its use as an interceptor is a head-scratcher?
Seems to me to be about the perfect interceptor to fly against something like a TU-22 or TU-160 (yes, I'm aware those came out later, especially the 160).
I know there were times when we didn't know exactly what the Reds had, and maybe we thought they were also developing something like the B-70.
Kelly Johnson always said the US government bought the wrong aircraft. He said the F-12 was the one they should have bought, thinking the interceptor role was more important to national defense.
The Sept/Oct issue of Aloft Magazine from The Museum of Flight arrived in the mail today. Featured on the cover is a head-on photo of the only SR-71B trainer taken at Plant 42, Palmdale, CA. There is a brief mention of the trainer and a distant still photo of it in the A-12 video at the beginning of this thread. For SR-71/A-12/MD-21 fans, the MOF has a Blackbird Forum scheduled for the weekend of Sept 14-15, 2019. The museum's website is a little thin on details right now, but indicate a schedule of events is coming soon.
https://www.museumofflight.org/Plan-Your-Visit/Calendar-of-Events/6013/blackbird-forum
https://www.museumofflight.org/Plan-Your-Visit/Calendar-of-Events/6013/blackbird-forum
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