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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: edyvw] #5143403 06/25/19 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

Yep, I think you have a point here.
In my VW Tiguan, as soon as power is needed it shifts 1 or two gears down. But then, my Tiguan for its size has truly abysmal mpg. Partly it is some weird programing of Aisin 6-speed. But no doubt it will downshift and slightest need of power.

Sounds like your Tiguan is optimized more for a fun driving experience than mileage, which I would expect from a VW. I'm glad I have the paddles to stab at to make my FXT more fun.
I think that the FXT would downshift more readily on its own if I used S# mode, in which the CVT pretends it is an 8 speed conventional auto tranny...but the car is so herky-jerky in that mode that I never use it anymore.
I have been told that S# is great for windy mountain roads, but it is very rare for me find such a road where I can really cut loose. The highway from the interstate to my ski place is mostly a straight shot, usually has traffic, and always has small town cops hiding in speed traps waiting to make a profit on impatient Boston and Providence drivers... ;^)


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5144212 06/26/19 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

Yep, I think you have a point here.
In my VW Tiguan, as soon as power is needed it shifts 1 or two gears down. But then, my Tiguan for its size has truly abysmal mpg. Partly it is some weird programing of Aisin 6-speed. But no doubt it will downshift and slightest need of power.

Sounds like your Tiguan is optimized more for a fun driving experience than mileage, which I would expect from a VW. I'm glad I have the paddles to stab at to make my FXT more fun.
I think that the FXT would downshift more readily on its own if I used S# mode, in which the CVT pretends it is an 8 speed conventional auto tranny...but the car is so herky-jerky in that mode that I never use it anymore.
I have been told that S# is great for windy mountain roads, but it is very rare for me find such a road where I can really cut loose. The highway from the interstate to my ski place is mostly a straight shot, usually has traffic, and always has small town cops hiding in speed traps waiting to make a profit on impatient Boston and Providence drivers... ;^)

Tiguan is pretty nice to drive, I mean it is CUV, so "fun" part is in the eye of beholder, but my wife loves it. I on other hand am stuck with SIenna at least until next year when I plan to get myself BMW or Audi with stick. I have curvy road to ski resort, some 142 miles, great drive, but since I got Toyota, I am avoiding it. Did twice during snow storms as interstate becomes pile up of tourists with SUV's, and it is seriously challenging not to burn a car after driving it on such road.


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: edyvw] #5144380 06/26/19 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

Tiguan is pretty nice to drive, I mean it is CUV, so "fun" part is in the eye of beholder, but my wife loves it. I on other hand am stuck with SIenna at least until next year when I plan to get myself BMW or Audi with stick. I have curvy road to ski resort, some 142 miles, great drive, but since I got Toyota, I am avoiding it. Did twice during snow storms as interstate becomes pile up of tourists with SUV's, and it is seriously challenging not to burn a car after driving it on such road.


Were you headed up I70? I wont touch that highway at that time of year. Everyone wants to rush to the resorts and no one has the tires for it.

Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5145015 06/26/19 07:22 PM
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...I was happy to find M1 10W30 HM is now SN+ as well as HTHS=3.5

Yes M1 10W30 HM is a great oil, it's Euro ACEA A3/B3 as well as API SN Plus.

A 10Wx oil is good down to 0F (-18c), in fact the J300 cold pumping test is done at -30C (-22F).


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: Env1ous] #5145229 06/27/19 01:52 AM
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Tiguan is pretty nice to drive, I mean it is CUV, so "fun" part is in the eye of beholder, but my wife loves it. I on other hand am stuck with SIenna at least until next year when I plan to get myself BMW or Audi with stick. I have curvy road to ski resort, some 142 miles, great drive, but since I got Toyota, I am avoiding it. Did twice during snow storms as interstate becomes pile up of tourists with SUV's, and it is seriously challenging not to burn a car after driving it on such road.


Were you headed up I70? I wont touch that highway at that time of year. Everyone wants to rush to the resorts and no one has the tires for it.

Now that I have Toyota, yes I go I70 to A-Basin, twice a week. But I have very flexible job, so I can afford skiing Monday and usually Wednesday. So not bad traffic. Now, if it snows, I take HWY 24 through South park, Breckenridge to A-Basin (I now ski only at A-Basin).
But yes, I70 is a massacre if it snows.

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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: edyvw] #5145325 06/27/19 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

Now that I have Toyota, yes I go I70 to A-Basin, twice a week. But I have very flexible job, so I can afford skiing Monday and usually Wednesday. So not bad traffic. Now, if it snows, I take HWY 24 through South park, Breckenridge to A-Basin (I now ski only at A-Basin).
But yes, I70 is a massacre if it snows.

Only skied at A-Basin once and it was quite an adventure!
Pretty impressive blizzard as we were heading there and signs kept warning that some pass up ahead was closed...I had no idea if the resort was before or after the pass.
Luckily it was just before the pass, but visibility was so poor that I could barely even figure out where to park!
Took a lift that went maybe midway up the mountain or a little higher and I just plain could not find my maybe 13 year old daughter right after we skied off the chair due to the heavy snow and wind...once I tracked her down, we agreed to stay lower on the mountain.
We spent the day in the trees down low where we could see each other and had lots of fun...our passes were comped, so we didn't feel like we had wasted money even though we missed the bowls.
A-Basin is one place we skied where I feel like I came away not knowing very much about the mountain...IIRC we headed off to a Denver area hotel that night and back to Boston the next morning.
First day at Vail was similar, mostly skied the back bowls in a blizzard and never really knew quite where we were. The next day was bluebird skies and a huge crowd showed up and made beelines for the bowls, it was so tough to get back there that we just stayed on the frontside and had an absolutely wonderful day feeling like we owned the place.


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5145521 06/27/19 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Virtus_Probi
Originally Posted by edyvw

Now that I have Toyota, yes I go I70 to A-Basin, twice a week. But I have very flexible job, so I can afford skiing Monday and usually Wednesday. So not bad traffic. Now, if it snows, I take HWY 24 through South park, Breckenridge to A-Basin (I now ski only at A-Basin).
But yes, I70 is a massacre if it snows.

Only skied at A-Basin once and it was quite an adventure!
Pretty impressive blizzard as we were heading there and signs kept warning that some pass up ahead was closed...I had no idea if the resort was before or after the pass.
Luckily it was just before the pass, but visibility was so poor that I could barely even figure out where to park!
Took a lift that went maybe midway up the mountain or a little higher and I just plain could not find my maybe 13 year old daughter right after we skied off the chair due to the heavy snow and wind...once I tracked her down, we agreed to stay lower on the mountain.
We spent the day in the trees down low where we could see each other and had lots of fun...our passes were comped, so we didn't feel like we had wasted money even though we missed the bowls.
A-Basin is one place we skied where I feel like I came away not knowing very much about the mountain...IIRC we headed off to a Denver area hotel that night and back to Boston the next morning.
First day at Vail was similar, mostly skied the back bowls in a blizzard and never really knew quite where we were. The next day was bluebird skies and a huge crowd showed up and made beelines for the bowls, it was so tough to get back there that we just stayed on the frontside and had an absolutely wonderful day feeling like we owned the place.

So, if you came from Keystone you hit A-Basin before Loveland Pass. That thing is beautiful drive, but in blizzard can be serious challenge without serious snow tires. Not to mention 2000ft drop on other side, so you can literally land on I-70.
A-Basin is challenging mountain. I learned hard way this March. And it's not like I did something stupid on EX terrain. It was blizzard and I love skiing in that weather. Went all the way up, did not see drop and lost balance, recovered, BUT, left ski caught deep snow, and since I did not have speed, ski stayed on. Pulled my left leg, twisted it. My knee still buckles back, and suffice to say, did not ski since then. They will do MRI next month. They thought it would heal itself as it seems that ligaments are not ACL, but that is what happens when "smart" idea is mixed with low visibility.


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: edyvw] #5145546 06/27/19 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

So, if you came from Keystone you hit A-Basin before Loveland Pass. That thing is beautiful drive, but in blizzard can be serious challenge without serious snow tires. Not to mention 2000ft drop on other side, so you can literally land on I-70.
A-Basin is challenging mountain. I learned hard way this March. And it's not like I did something stupid on EX terrain. It was blizzard and I love skiing in that weather. Went all the way up, did not see drop and lost balance, recovered, BUT, left ski caught deep snow, and since I did not have speed, ski stayed on. Pulled my left leg, twisted it. My knee still buckles back, and suffice to say, did not ski since then. They will do MRI next month. They thought it would heal itself as it seems that ligaments are not ACL, but that is what happens when "smart" idea is mixed with low visibility.

First of all, I'm very sorry to hear about your knee...hoping for the best there for you. I hurt my right knee doing leg press about two weeks before our last ski season started and was really worried about missing the season for maybe a week after that...ended up that the biggest problem was taking my boot off on that leg until maybe February, puling down on my foot was quite painful. My doc looked at it during a physical last week and said it was likely a partially torn meniscus, I elected to not go ahead with scans at this point.
I definitely know what you mean about getting a ski caught in deep snow without any speed, doesn't happen to me a lot in New England but it is a scary feeling.

You nailed it, we did ski at Keystone (great day) and stayed in that area before heading over to A-Basin. I wish we could have explored A-Basin more, the young lady who comped our passes told us we just had to see the bowls but it seemed like a terrible idea with near zero visibility on terrain we weren't familiar with...plus I don't know how I could have possibly explained to my wife that I made our early teen daughter ski hairy terrain when we couldn't see if something had happened.

Hope you heal up soon!


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Re: Why is Mobil 1 ESP Formula is not SN PLUS? [Re: Virtus_Probi] #5146083 06/28/19 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by edyvw

So, if you came from Keystone you hit A-Basin before Loveland Pass. That thing is beautiful drive, but in blizzard can be serious challenge without serious snow tires. Not to mention 2000ft drop on other side, so you can literally land on I-70.
A-Basin is challenging mountain. I learned hard way this March. And it's not like I did something stupid on EX terrain. It was blizzard and I love skiing in that weather. Went all the way up, did not see drop and lost balance, recovered, BUT, left ski caught deep snow, and since I did not have speed, ski stayed on. Pulled my left leg, twisted it. My knee still buckles back, and suffice to say, did not ski since then. They will do MRI next month. They thought it would heal itself as it seems that ligaments are not ACL, but that is what happens when "smart" idea is mixed with low visibility.

First of all, I'm very sorry to hear about your knee...hoping for the best there for you. I hurt my right knee doing leg press about two weeks before our last ski season started and was really worried about missing the season for maybe a week after that...ended up that the biggest problem was taking my boot off on that leg until maybe February, puling down on my foot was quite painful. My doc looked at it during a physical last week and said it was likely a partially torn meniscus, I elected to not go ahead with scans at this point.
I definitely know what you mean about getting a ski caught in deep snow without any speed, doesn't happen to me a lot in New England but it is a scary feeling.

You nailed it, we did ski at Keystone (great day) and stayed in that area before heading over to A-Basin. I wish we could have explored A-Basin more, the young lady who comped our passes told us we just had to see the bowls but it seemed like a terrible idea with near zero visibility on terrain we weren't familiar with...plus I don't know how I could have possibly explained to my wife that I made our early teen daughter ski hairy terrain when we couldn't see if something had happened.

Hope you heal up soon!

Problem with Keystone is that it is black hole of Summit county.
Breckenridge will get foot of snow, A-Basin foot, and Keystone, although it is in the middle, will get an inch.
Though, Keystone has best night skiing in North America, but snow wise, A-Basin is way to go, plus they have best Bison Bratwurst you will ever have smile


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