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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: dailydriver] #5144975 06/26/19 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dailydriver
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This engine does not have a timing chain, it has a timing belt, so no problems there.I like the 1.6 ecoboost, I drive it like a diesel, it has enough torque so I dont have to work it up in the RPM.
Let us see how much can the Red Line go , within reasonable wear limits.



Yes, I'd like to see just HOW the Red Line does in this engine, as it's very high calcium (and somewhat high sodium) levels have me a little bit worried (and WHY I have not even tried it yet) for it's use in a turbo DI EcoBoost app, like our's.

If with high calcium you are referring to LSPI , than I have to say , I have never had any problems that I know of,in regard to LSPI. I have had Castrol 0w30 A5/B5 with 3000 ppm Ca and I have floored in the 6 gear from as low as 45 mph (1600 rpm) many times and nothing abnormal happend.
But like I said this engine has only 140 hp so maybe it is not stressed enough to even get LSPI.

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5146483 06/28/19 02:27 PM
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I will try to go with this oil until 18k miles.Volvo says 18,6k miles or one year OCI.I think if I change the oil filter the Red Line 5w20 will make it to 18k.

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5149166 07/02/19 01:26 AM
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Lots of differences between Ovidiu’s use and mine, but to state the obvious:

1) he has much lower wear numbers, and no weird metals like Pb.
2) his 5w20 [email protected] UOA is higher than my Pennzoil Ultra 5w30 VOA, and MUCH higher than my UOA (8.2) after 6k miles.
3) his fuel appears negligible....unlike mine.
Obviously a 1.6 EB operated in Europe is different from 3.5EB operated in USA. And of course, Redline & Ultra are different.

What octane is your fuel? I wonder if my ECU would fix its “sh*t” if I ran premium?


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Impatient] #5149327 07/02/19 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Impatient
Lots of differences between Ovidiu’s use and mine, but to state the obvious:

1) he has much lower wear numbers, and no weird metals like Pb.
2) his 5w20 [email protected] UOA is higher than my Pennzoil Ultra 5w30 VOA, and MUCH higher than my UOA (8.2) after 6k miles.
3) his fuel appears negligible....unlike mine.
Obviously a 1.6 EB operated in Europe is different from 3.5EB operated in USA. And of course, Redline & Ultra are different.

What octane is your fuel? I wonder if my ECU would fix its “sh*t” if I ran premium?


Hello Impatient, I use mostly 95 Oktane E10, but I have been using 102 Oktane also . The engine had from Volvo originally 120 hp ,I do not know why so few , it is mechanically the same ecoboost that has 150 hp , 180hp in the Focus or Fusion .So I said , it can not be that an 1.6 Turbo has only 120hp and 240 Nm, so I tuned the engine to 140 hp and over 300 Nm. Its not much but its a lot better to drive.The torque makes it.
You can not compare a 3.5 Ecoboost, 365 hp with 2 turbos engine, with a small 1.6 ecoboost.I know in the USA a 3.5 engine is considered a small one , but in Europe it is a different story

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5149350 07/02/19 10:28 AM
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It's hard to do a comparison - then remedy, between the USA and Europe. Oils are different and so is fuel.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5160213 07/14/19 09:19 AM
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I have about 12500 miles on the oil now.At 15000 miles I will do another UOA but this time with a TAN.We will see how the oil is holding up.

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5160524 07/14/19 01:59 PM
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FWIW, back in the day, using a number of 0W20 oils,
including,TGMO, MGMO, Sustina, and RL,
the BEST mpg I got was with RL !

HTHS 2.9
VI 172

The others were barely
HTHS 2.6
VI ~ 220 and higher

I always attributed this to the huge amount of moly in RL.

Also, Dave has stated that RL is a great oil vs LSPI, in spite of the high calcium.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Direct_Rejection] #5160565 07/14/19 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Direct_Rejection
FWIW, back in the day, using a number of 0W20 oils,
including,TGMO, MGMO, Sustina, and RL,
the BEST mpg I got was with RL !

HTHS 2.9
VI 172

The others were barely
HTHS 2.6
VI ~ 220 and higher

I always attributed this to the huge amount of moly in RL.

Also, Dave has stated that RL is a great oil vs LSPI, in spite of the high calcium.


Redline 0w20 best 0w20 ever made. Super high hths and a pour point in the - 70's.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5160739 07/14/19 06:21 PM
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With oder oils without Moly, I had a piston slap with a cold engine but with the Redline the noise is gone .I have used Castrol 0w40 , Castrol 0w30 A5/B5, Shell 0w40... and with all of them I had piston slap a couple minutes after engine start.

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5161156 07/15/19 06:05 AM
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I don't understand how Dave can say RL with it's 3,500 ppm of Ca is a great oil for LSPI.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Marco620] #5161202 07/15/19 07:34 AM
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Are you sure it has the same numbers it did a few years back ?

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5161222 07/15/19 07:55 AM
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Good question. The OE series oil is likely the Mg/Ca additive system but i don't know about the regular one.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: buster] #5161294 07/15/19 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by buster
I don't understand how Dave can say RL with it's 3,500 ppm of Ca is a great oil for LSPI.

I do not have LSPI issues and I go full throttle in the 6 gear at 50 MPH at least 5 times a day . The ford F formula 5w30 for the ecoboost in Europe has over 3000 ppm of Ca so maybe it is something else not just the Ca .

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: buster] #5161326 07/15/19 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by buster
I don't understand how Dave can say RL with it's 3,500 ppm of Ca is a great oil for LSPI.

With ZDDP and moly being LSPI quenchers, I wonder if they compensate enough for the calcium numbers. I know if I were somehow magically stuck using a high calcium oil in an application known for LSPI, I'd probably be thinking Red Line first.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Garak] #5161370 07/15/19 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by buster
I don't understand how Dave can say RL with it's 3,500 ppm of Ca is a great oil for LSPI.

With ZDDP and moly being LSPI quenchers, I wonder if they compensate enough for the calcium numbers. I know if I were somehow magically stuck using a high calcium oil in an application known for LSPI, I'd probably be thinking Red Line first.


THIS^^^ would be my guess, but I'd like to hear this directly from Dave, even as reluctant as he is to say so. wink


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