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Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost #5144315 06/26/19 06:45 AM
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This is a 1.6 Ecoboost 140 Hp 300 Nm engine in a Volvo V40T2, 2014.This run was very hard on the oil. I am driving a lot of highway in Germany , so from the 11k Miles at least 3k was made with speeds of 105 mph.
The oil is still in the engine .I am planing to drive another 7k miles and take another sample.
I have put the UOA as pdf file.
The UOA is on German and the Lab is Oelcheck. They talk about the high silicone in the oil but Red Line 5w20 has already silicone to begin with.The TBN was 5.

Sorry for my bad english.

Attached PDF document
redline 1.pdf (322.41 KB, 173 downloads)
Attached PDF document
redline 2.pdf (145.65 KB, 75 downloads)
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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144376 06/26/19 08:09 AM
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Very nice UOA.

I caution everyone to consider more frequent oil changes in modern Direct Injection engines. Particulates and evaporated fuel/combustion by product contaminates build up in the oil and promote wear. There have been many Ecoboost engines with timing chain wear due to extended OCI’s. And the problem is not limited to Ford products. GM reduced the OCI’s in a successful attempt at mitigating warranty chain replacements.

I’ve found that 5000 miles is where I get the best results. EB truck and SUV owners in the States that go with extended drain intervals are losing timing chains by 90K miles. It is also good to note that chains last longer with 30 viscosity oils.


People who count on their fingers should maintain a discreet silence.
Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Cujet] #5144389 06/26/19 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujet
Very nice UOA.

I caution everyone to consider more frequent oil changes in modern Direct Injection engines. Particulates and evaporated fuel/combustion by product contaminates build up in the oil and promote wear. There have been many Ecoboost engines with timing chain wear due to extended OCI’s. And the problem is not limited to Ford products. GM reduced the OCI’s in a successful attempt at mitigating warranty chain replacements.

I’ve found that 5000 miles is where I get the best results. EB truck and SUV owners in the States that go with extended drain intervals are losing timing chains by 90K miles. It is also good to note that chains last longer with 30 viscosity oils.

DI appears to be tech in reverse, that's why I chose not to own a DI engine. I have hundreds of thousands of miles on engines with OHCs and not a single timing chain problem with M1 0-20 oils.


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2017 Ford Fusion 75K
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M1 ATF and Valvoline LV
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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144422 06/26/19 08:46 AM
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I'm a little new here, but let's say someone picks up the jug of M1 Annual Protection at Wal-Mart, or gets some Amsoil and follows their 15,000 mile "severe service" oil change interval, and their chain snaps at 90k...can they realistically expect some kind of compensation from M1 or Amsoil?

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144465 06/26/19 09:43 AM
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This engine does not have a timing chain, it has a timing belt, so no problems there.I like the 1.6 ecoboost, I drive it like a diesel, it has enough torque so I dont have to work it up in the RPM.
Let us see how much can the Red Line go , within reasonable wear limits.

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144485 06/26/19 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ovidiu

Sorry for my bad english.


No need to apologize... Your English and writing are fine.

Slightly off the topic of oil analysis.... Do you happen to know what kind of fuel economy your vehicle gets at those those higher speeds? Do you know the economy numbers for city compared to highway compared to 100+ MPH? BTW: I don't care what units you use (i.e. kilometers, miles, gallons, liters etc).

Thanks

Ray

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: Deontologist] #5144493 06/26/19 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Deontologist
I'm a little new here, but let's say someone picks up the jug of M1 Annual Protection at Wal-Mart, or gets some Amsoil and follows their 15,000 mile "severe service" oil change interval, and their chain snaps at 90k...can they realistically expect some kind of compensation from M1 or Amsoil?


The oil makers always say to follow the owners manuals first & foremost.

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: RayCJ] #5144516 06/26/19 10:44 AM
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When i drive just highway at normal speed lets say under 75 mph then I get between 44 and 40 mpg, above 75mph the mpg changes rapidly.At 105 mph I get about 23 mpg, maybe less, but I have to brake sometimes and then speed up again.In the city I use the start-stop function and I get 36 mpg at average speed of 16 mph.But my city is not a big city it has 200.000 people

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144605 06/26/19 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ovidiu
When i drive just highway at normal speed lets say under 75 mph then I get between 44 and 40 mpg, above 75mph the mpg changes rapidly.At 105 mph I get about 23 mpg, maybe less, but I have to brake sometimes and then speed up again.In the city I use the start-stop function and I get 36 mpg at average speed of 16 mph.But my city is not a big city it has 200.000 people


Thank you so much! Just to clarify, I think you're using the British/European Gallon units (also used in Canada) so, to translate for US readers: https://www.calculateme.com/gas-mileage/british-mpg-to-us-mpg

Imperial 44 - 40 = US 33.3 - 36.6
Imperial 23 = US 19.5

For 105 MPH, 23-I (19.5 US) is still pretty good fuel economy!

Thank you...

Ray
PS: I wish we had roads where we could legally drive at high speed.

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144716 06/26/19 01:56 PM
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although redline is one of the best the 1/4 mpg from a xxW20 means nothing in the long run + oil analysis will NOT show the wear caused by thinner oils.

Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: benjy] #5144824 06/26/19 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by benjy
although redline is one of the best the 1/4 mpg from a xxW20 means nothing in the long run + oil analysis will NOT show the wear caused by thinner oils.


This UOA has an PQ-index so it should show the wear in the oil no matter the viscosity.
https://en.oelcheck.com/wiki/PQ_index

And here is a very good topic on PQ-index
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/2089130/1

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: RayCJ] #5144826 06/26/19 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by RayCJ
Originally Posted by ovidiu
When i drive just highway at normal speed lets say under 75 mph then I get between 44 and 40 mpg, above 75mph the mpg changes rapidly.At 105 mph I get about 23 mpg, maybe less, but I have to brake sometimes and then speed up again.In the city I use the start-stop function and I get 36 mpg at average speed of 16 mph.But my city is not a big city it has 200.000 people


Thank you so much! Just to clarify, I think you're using the British/European Gallon units (also used in Canada) so, to translate for US readers: https://www.calculateme.com/gas-mileage/british-mpg-to-us-mpg

Imperial 44 - 40 = US 33.3 - 36.6
Imperial 23 = US 19.5

For 105 MPH, 23-I (19.5 US) is still pretty good fuel economy!

Thank you...

Ray
PS: I wish we had roads where we could legally drive at high speed.


Ray here are the fuel consumption grafs I have from 83k until 93k ,

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/1014811.html


But it is in liters and km.In the grafs its showing how much gas I have put in, and how many km I have been driving with that amount of gas.

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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: ovidiu] #5144900 06/26/19 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ovidiu


Ray here are the fuel consumption grafs I have from 83k until 93k ,

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/1014811.html

But it is in liters and km.In the grafs its showing how much gas I have put in, and how many km I have been driving with that amount of gas.


Your oil analysis is amazing for 11k miles. It seems impossible that your Base Number (mgKOH/g) is 5. Does your lab do particle count analysis? Also, what oil filter and air filter do you use? For very long runs, I think particle contamination is important to know.

Thanks for showing your fuel economy. Here is mine. This is not very exciting but if you wish to see, it's the total fuel history for a 2018 Mazda3 purchased 10 months ago. The results show in Miles per US Gallon. http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/3/2018/redjellybean/836090

Sorry for taking your thread off-topic.


Ray

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Originally Posted by ovidiu
This engine does not have a timing chain, it has a timing belt, so no problems there.I like the 1.6 ecoboost, I drive it like a diesel, it has enough torque so I dont have to work it up in the RPM.
Let us see how much can the Red Line go , within reasonable wear limits.



Yes, I'd like to see just HOW the Red Line does in this engine, as it's very high calcium (and somewhat high sodium) levels have me a little bit worried (and WHY I have not even tried it yet) for it's use in a turbo DI EcoBoost app, like our's.


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Re: Red Line 5w20 , 11K Miles .1.6 Ecoboost [Re: RayCJ] #5144972 06/26/19 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RayCJ
Originally Posted by ovidiu


Ray here are the fuel consumption grafs I have from 83k until 93k ,

https://www.spritmonitor.de/de/detailansicht/1014811.html

But it is in liters and km.In the grafs its showing how much gas I have put in, and how many km I have been driving with that amount of gas.


Your oil analysis is amazing for 11k miles. It seems impossible that your Base Number (mgKOH/g) is 5. Does your lab do particle count analysis? Also, what oil filter and air filter do you use? For very long runs, I think particle contamination is important to know.

Thanks for showing your fuel economy. Here is mine. This is not very exciting but if you wish to see, it's the total fuel history for a 2018 Mazda3 purchased 10 months ago. The results show in Miles per US Gallon. http://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/3/2018/redjellybean/836090

Sorry for taking your thread off-topic.


Ray

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I am using a K&N oil filter and a Bosch air filter and the UOA has PQ-index but no particle count.

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