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Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil #5143453
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I'm changing the old Jeep's Synchromesh manual transmission fluid today. It is an NSG370 transmission.

Advance Auto has Pennzoil Synchromesh for 9 bucks a quart. O'Reilly has Valvoline for 10 bucks a quart.

What does the hive say about which might be better gear lube? The price is close enough not to be a factor. Are they essentially the same? I'm guessing Pennzoil was probably the original Jeep factory fill, at least in more recent years, due to FCA's close relationship with SOPUS.

One other quick question...What is the recommended shelf life of Synchromesh? I may have a bottle of Pennzoil stashed somewhere that's probably 5 years old. (If I do, and the shelf life is ok, that will decide it in favor of Pennzoil.)


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5143462
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The pz one makes my jeep shift notchy. I have the valvoline fluid in it now and its fine. I prefer the Royal purple fluid over both of those though. Last time I changed it napa had the valvoline on clearance for $3/qt and since I'm cheap thats why I got it.


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5143505
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Any of these dedicated MTL's should work:

NOTE: This list is only a “suggested” list of MTFs. It is not an endorsement of any one fluid, nor is it implied that any one fluid will cure problems in MTs that have design problems or those that have excessive wear.


Mopar Type MS-9417 MTL 9.0 cSt
Valvoline MTF Part Number 811095 9.2 cSt
Pennzoil Synchromesh 9.3 cSt
RAVENOL PSA 9.5 cSt
RAVENOL SSG 9.5 cSt
Redline MTL 75W80
Amsoil MTF (9.7 cSt)
GM Synchromesh’s

Volvo MTF 645
Fuchs TITAN SINTOFLUID SAE 75W-80 synthetic MTF
Lodexol (Morris Lubricants) MTF
Motylgear 75W-80

Shelf Life is about 10 years for MTL oils. Suggest you warm it up and shake it well before installation if it has been on the shelf for 2 years or more.

Last edited by MolaKule; 06/25/19 08:36 AM.

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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5143785
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If they both meed the required spec, I would default to Valvoline simply due to personal preference.
Currently I run Amsoil synchromesh in my ZF S6-40 with excellent results.


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5143929
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I may try Valvoline. I ran Pennzoil awhile back and felt the Mopar was smoother and quieter. It is just too expensive. If I pay more, I'd be inclined towards Amsoil. I can't buy Amsoil off the shelf, though, and I want to change it tonight or tomorrow.

Any more experience out there with RP?


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5143983
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Originally Posted by IndyFan


...Any more experience out there with RP?...


RP what?


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: MolaKule] #5143996
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Royal purple.


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: Red91] #5144012
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Originally Posted by Red91
Royal purple.



Royal Purple does NOT have an MTF dedicated lubricant in the 10 cSt range, if that is what you're referring to.

They have only the Synchromax which has the viscosity of Dex/Merc ATF (7.5 cSt).

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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: MolaKule] #5144127
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by Red91
Royal purple.



Royal Purple does NOT have an MTF dedicated lubricant in the 10 cSt range, if that is what you're referring to.

They have only the Synchromax which has the viscosity of Dex/Merc ATF (7.5 cSt).


Ok, thanks. I'm going to pick up a couple quarts of Valvoline at Napa or O'Reilly and get it done.

Thanks for all the info, everyone!

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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: MolaKule] #5144554
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This information really needs to be in a "quick access reference sticky" somewhere....

Originally Posted by MolaKule

NOTE: This list is only a “suggested” list of MTFs. It is not an endorsement of any one fluid, nor is it implied that any one fluid will cure problems in MTs that have design problems or those that have excessive wear.

Mopar Type MS-9417 MTL 9.0 cSt
Valvoline MTF Part Number 811095 9.2 cSt
Pennzoil Synchromesh 9.3 cSt
RAVENOL PSA 9.5 cSt
RAVENOL SSG 9.5 cSt
Redline MTL 75W80
Amsoil MTF (9.7 cSt)
GM Synchromesh’s

Volvo MTF 645
Fuchs TITAN SINTOFLUID SAE 75W-80 synthetic MTF
Lodexol (Morris Lubricants) MTF
Motylgear 75W-80

Suggest you warm it up and shake it well before installation if it has been on the shelf for 2 years or more.


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5144805
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An Updated article is posted here:

Manual Transmission Fluids


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: MolaKule] #5144878
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
An Updated article is posted here:

Manual Transmission Fluids


Wow, great stuff! Thanks for sharing. I went with Valvoline. Everything feels smooth. Thanks again for the help and the education to all here. This site is such an incredible resource because of your generosity!


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Re: Synchromesh: Valvoline Vs. Pennzoil [Re: IndyFan] #5144881
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Sounds like they are well prepared for massive rebates and incentives. The guy or gal that spends 80 grand on it will thing he/she got a steal.

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