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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: SLO_Town] #5156278 07/10/19 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SLO_Town
My oldest son is a police officer. He has told me the exact same thing - the Crown Vics were indestructible and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the department’s Chargers had horrible valve train tick and clatter, even the low mileage ones.

Almost every Crown Vic that retired from police service (without being a loss) had another longer career as a taxi afterwards. Now, I know the taxi industry has changed, but I can't say I've seen a single Charger in taxi service in this city.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Exhaustgases] #5156680 07/10/19 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Exhaustgases
If you look around at the various automotive sites, you will see there are a lot of cars/ engines dying at under 100k miles, due to things like this thread is about as well as inferior materials being used or just plain bad design.
And even like the large over the road trucks now that are having many problems, all or most of it goes back to the wonderful regulations and requirements that remove / take away something that helped the longevity of these parts or require something that was never used in the past. So sure the cars can last and some don't, that is why there are recalls that is if your lucky , usually the consumer has to eat it.
Study the CVT issue some may last and many don't that is why one outfit had to increase their warranty to 10 years. So see that helps that 11 year deal.



It's not that we can't build things to last, it's that greed and profit win over build quality. It's no longer about building the best quality product, but building the best quality product within a certain price point in mind. Things are not overbuilt anymore, but rather built "good enough".


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Garak] #5156687 07/10/19 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
My oldest son is a police officer. He has told me the exact same thing - the Crown Vics were indestructible and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the department’s Chargers had horrible valve train tick and clatter, even the low mileage ones.

Almost every Crown Vic that retired from police service (without being a loss) had another longer career as a taxi afterwards. Now, I know the taxi industry has changed, but I can't say I've seen a single Charger in taxi service in this city.

That's because taxi services are getting away from those type of vehicles. Concerning still using Crown Vics that are still standing, I would use them too, if I had 20 years of parts still inside my garages. For many saving tips, I would buy alll the Crown Vics I could.

Minivans, Hybrids.....etc.... are what's in right now with cabs. Ford Explorers are #1 these days with the Police. If GM put rear-wheel drive in their new Blazers, they might give Ford some competition on upcoming municipal contracts soon. The one I saw yesterday was fitting for a future police vehicle. Just wasn't sure if it was rear-wheel drive from a distance. Most Police still prefer the rear-wheel vehicles with 4WD and good ground clearance..

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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: burla] #5157054 07/10/19 07:17 PM
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I run Pennzoil Ultra 5W-20 in my Hemi Ram and sleep well. If it breaks, I'll fix it.


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5157874 07/11/19 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en

That's because taxi services are getting away from those type of vehicles. Concerning still using Crown Vics that are still standing, I would use them too, if I had 20 years of parts still inside my garages. For many saving tips, I would buy alll the Crown Vics I could.

Minivans, Hybrids.....etc.... are what's in right now with cabs. Ford Explorers are #1 these days with the Police.

taxis are dying a slow death - and Uber/Lyft forbid the Crown Vic as a car, they're worried ex-cop cars and salvaged cabs will make their way to the platform. The Prius is king with cabbies and Uber drivers, but you're [censored] yourself over for driving for Uber and Lyft. Might as well make the pain a bit more bearable with the Prius.

The CHP has ordered quite a few Dodge Chargers, but rumor from a CHP officer I talked to marshalling a half-marathon said Sacramento is going back to the Explorer. Some cities around here are still using the Crown Vic, CHP stockpiled a few 2011s and some bought the last Caprice/Commodores before GM shut down the Holden plant.

Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5158126 07/11/19 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Minivans, Hybrids.....etc.... are what's in right now with cabs.

Here, it's mostly hybrids and a few Corollas and their ilk, and a few leftover Impalas. The hybrids incur less fuel expense even now with today's gas prices than the full sized vehicles did back in the 1980s. It's pretty amazing. My brother, when he last drove cab, was getting gas bills I wish I would have had in 1990.

We used to have a fair number of minivan taxis, but they are beginning to disappear. There were a few SUV taxis, Suburbans of all things, at the time, when there was a bit of a demand for really high capacity vehicles. That's been a long time, ago, though, and I only saw a couple examples.


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: nthach] #5158215 07/11/19 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by nthach
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en

That's because taxi services are getting away from those type of vehicles. Concerning still using Crown Vics that are still standing, I would use them too, if I had 20 years of parts still inside my garages. For many saving tips, I would buy alll the Crown Vics I could.

Minivans, Hybrids.....etc.... are what's in right now with cabs. Ford Explorers are #1 these days with the Police.

taxis are dying a slow death - and Uber/Lyft forbid the Crown Vic as a car, they're worried ex-cop cars and salvaged cabs will make their way to the platform. The Prius is king with cabbies and Uber drivers, but you're [censored] yourself over for driving for Uber and Lyft. Might as well make the pain a bit more bearable with the Prius.

The CHP has ordered quite a few Dodge Chargers, but rumor from a CHP officer I talked to marshalling a half-marathon said Sacramento is going back to the Explorer. Some cities around here are still using the Crown Vic, CHP stockpiled a few 2011s and some bought the last Caprice/Commodores before GM shut down the Holden plant.


Interesting info. The California CHP officer I spoke with said they are using more Chargers...something about new weight requirements forcing them away from SUVs...didn't ask if California law or something else.


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: GumbyJarvis] #5158223 07/11/19 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
Plenty of people run 5w20 in 5.7L engines without failures or ticks.

Long idles and people running these things like they're Dom Toretto are the main reason why theres such a high failure rate. I understand that sports cars such as the Charger or Challenger are meant to scream and go fast, but not everytime you drive the dang thing, especially in city traffic. You know how many times I see someone go from light to light flooring a challenger? By the time they get to 60mph its already time to stop at the next red light.

Police Cruisers are another example of a severe service issue. Any vehicle idling for 12+ hour shifts on the side of the road is going to have its issues.

It's all how you take care of it, I've seen fleet 2009+ Ram Hemis that get a QSGB 5w20 dump and Hastings filters every 5k go to 300k+ without an issue.

I've also seen 2009+ 300s and Chargers not make it to 100k.

9/10 it's due to neglect, whether it be due to not adhering to severe service schedules, or driving erratically for no reason other than to look cool.

Some of the most popular vehicles with military service members are Chargers, Challengers, Rams, and 300s. Being in the service I wasnt surprised when someones Hemi failed, because most of the time the person was an immature Speedy Gonzalez driving on post where the speed limits what, 35mph tops? They would literally rev the engine up as fast as they could to...35mph...just to stop 3 blocks down at another stoplight/sign.

Edit: people are also fooled by OLMs and never even crack open their OM, the oil fill is recommended to be changed every 6months unless the OLM gets to 0 before hand. I'm almost two months in on this OCI, about 2.5K miles in, and the OLM is only at 90%. If the OLM keeps up at this rate, I could go 25,000mi/20 months on a cheap dino (Formula Shell), but I'm smart enough not to, whereas many people probably wouldnt be and then would wonder what happened when they're stranded.




Yes yes and yes. If you take care of it, it will take care of you. Period. When I was still active in the navy, I would meet people on post who could tell you everything you wanted to know about any brand of fast car....top speed, gear ratio, torque variables, horsepower you name it, they knew it. And they also couldn’t tell you what oil was in their sump because express oil change right outside of base did the job. I’m not sayin people care about the wrong things, but a lot of people don’t seem to pay attention to the right things.

You are spot on about military vehicle purchases too. Challengers, Chargers, 300s and mustangs as well. Any quarter mile straight on base where base police isn’t at the moment.....fair game. Those vehicles would end up on the lemon lot on base a few months later too.

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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Garak] #5158230 07/11/19 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Garak
Originally Posted by SLO_Town
My oldest son is a police officer. He has told me the exact same thing - the Crown Vics were indestructible and EVERY SINGLE ONE of the department’s Chargers had horrible valve train tick and clatter, even the low mileage ones.

Almost every Crown Vic that retired from police service (without being a loss) had another longer career as a taxi afterwards. Now, I know the taxi industry has changed, but I can't say I've seen a single Charger in taxi service in this city.


This I don’t understand … Crown Vic’s were our company cars for many years … we drove them, changed M1 at 5k … trans and gear oil once at 50k … and the only time you did other was to get a new one at 100k when they had trade value … but nothing broke … we beat on them ... rough gravel roads … long idles (sound familiar) … lived in those cars …
And no doubt they had a great after life when we traded them. Similar results for LEO, taxi, and the Limo in the Lincoln format (miss pickups at the airport). What replaced them ?

Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: 4WD] #5158893 07/12/19 05:43 PM
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There are a fair number of the Prius platform here, and I do see a lot of Corollas and similar. I am guessing Alberta hung onto the Crown Vics, Grand Marquis, and Town Cars a little longer in the taxi industry, since Alberta has an absolute glut of those vehicles all for sale with over 500,000 kilometres each. There are a couple guys still running minivans here that I can think of, but they're not as common as they used to be.


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Garak] #5210136 09/11/19 01:15 PM
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I have a 2019 Ram with a 5.7 Hemi that has lifter clatter on cold starts. I think this is how a roller lifter's needle bearings get trashed in the first place by getting hammered until the lifter gets pumped back up with oil.


Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: burla] #5210171 09/11/19 02:14 PM
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If I ran a taxi business, the last thing I’d buy is V6 or V8 vehicles. That’s a massive amount of profit lost in fuel costs. With all that stop and got and “idling”, hybrids are by-far the smartest choice.

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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: Whitestar] #5210183 09/11/19 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitestar
I have a 2019 Ram with a 5.7 Hemi that has lifter clatter on cold starts. I think this is how a roller lifter's needle bearings get trashed in the first place by getting hammered until the lifter gets pumped back up with oil.



I know they can be a real joy, but have you addressed this with a Ram dealer?


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Re: Good lubrication and still Hemi's are failing. [Re: burla] #5210327 09/11/19 05:19 PM
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If Chrysler is anything like GM, oil changes aren't going to help, it's a design flaw. On GM the lifter has a little pin that engages and disengages from a notch inside the lifter...the notch wears from the pin engagement and forms a ramp, allowing the lifter to collapse as it can't stay in the notch. I'm not sure oil changes will help, unfortunately. It's the design.

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Originally Posted by Railrust
If Chrysler is anything like GM, oil changes aren't going to help, it's a design flaw. On GM the lifter has a little pin that engages and disengages from a notch inside the lifter...the notch wears from the pin engagement and forms a ramp, allowing the lifter to collapse as it can't stay in the notch. I'm not sure oil changes will help, unfortunately. It's the design.


That may explain the MDS lifter failures, but what’s causing the regular lifters to fail?


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