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'10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles #5138974
06/20/19 06:35 AM
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2010 Honda Accord. 2.4L with AT. 175,461 miles on the odometer when the sample was taken.
This oil was run for 9,941 miles. A Fram Ultra (XG7317) was used doing this OCI. Oil and filter was changed at that time, and a sample was taken and sent to Blackstone for analysis.

The oil was Valvoline Maxlife 5w30 Full Synthetic with about 10 oz of Torco's MPZ 02 oil additive. Here is a link to their product: Torco MPZ 02 Additive

I have an email to Torco to see if the sodium and titanium came from their product. Maxlife doesn't have sodium and titanium in it, does it??

Here is a link to the 2015 UOA that you see on the report (old school PU + Lubegard BioTech): UOA from 2015

Here's the report:



Attached PDF document
Last edited by Phishin; 06/20/19 06:39 AM.

2018 Chevy Silverado 3500HD 6.0L Gas: RLI 10w30
2010 Accord-LX K24: MaxLife 5w30 + Torco MPZ
2014 CR-V LX K24: M1 0w30
Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5138984
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That's probably the best 10k oci I've ever seen! Looks great! Is the Torco additive a moly based product,like MOS2? As to the sodium,I was thinking that's Valvoline's trademark,a sodium antiwear add when they dropped the moly from Maxlife,right?


1996 Nissan 300ZX 5-speed,Arctic Pearl(#175 of 300)
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30
2012 Honda Accord Coupe EX-L 2.4,auto,San Marino Red
Quaker State Ultimate Durability 10W30

Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5138996
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Older Maxlife formulations contained sodium. The new batch (2019) is different. That latest UOA is real nice. Add-pack strong as a bull.

Last edited by Triple_Se7en; 06/20/19 07:15 AM.

19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: aquariuscsm] #5138997
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
That's probably the best 10k oci I've ever seen! Looks great! Is the Torco additive a moly based product,like MOS2? As to the sodium,I was thinking that's Valvoline's trademark,a sodium antiwear add when they dropped the moly from Maxlife,right?


Thanks aquariuscsm. I was impressed with the UOA.

The Torco additive doesn't use colloidal moly. It's tri-nuclear.

For some reason, I thought Valvoline always used sodium but then they dropped it and went with now common Ca/Mg blend. But I could be wrong. I don't look at a ton of UOA's on here.


2018 Chevy Silverado 3500HD 6.0L Gas: RLI 10w30
2010 Accord-LX K24: MaxLife 5w30 + Torco MPZ
2014 CR-V LX K24: M1 0w30
Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139029
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MPZ stands for Moly,Phosphorus, zinc.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139048
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Now run 10k without the additive. I'm always curious to know if these additives really help anything or if it's all in our heads.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Chris142] #5139073
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Originally Posted by Chris142
MPZ stands for Moly,Phosphorus, zinc.

Yep. But this is O2 sensor safe.... So no Phosphorus or Zinc.

Last edited by Phishin; 06/20/19 09:06 AM.

2018 Chevy Silverado 3500HD 6.0L Gas: RLI 10w30
2010 Accord-LX K24: MaxLife 5w30 + Torco MPZ
2014 CR-V LX K24: M1 0w30
Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139211
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Phishin, was your reason for using the additive, an increase in MPG or simply reduced wear? Have you noticed that UOAs are better with the additive, or your MPG has increased? I am a bit curious, I have already poured in Liquimoly MOS2 into both of my vehicles. Unfortunately, I have started to run the A/C so comparing MPG is going to be tough.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: JoelB] #5139242
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Originally Posted by JoelB
Now run 10k without the additive. I'm always curious to know if these additives really help anything or if it's all in our heads.


I'm not really interested in doing that. Sure, it might give me insight if the Torco additive is doing anything. But 2/3 of a bottle of this stuff per OCI is $10. I'm not really worried about "saving" $10 2-3 times a year.
What I am concerned with is boosting my oil with an additional helping of AW chemistries, which includes a healthy dose of Moly, which Maxlife now has none.

At the VERY worst, it's doing nothing. But I consider that highly unlikely. The benefit may be TINY, but it's there. And the added "cushion" of protection I get gives me a good feeling. This Honda Accord is driving cross country to National BMX races several times a month. It's loaded down with tons of gear, a hitch-attached 2 position bike rack, and me and my boy. It travels at high rates of speed, and often times, as merge onto the highways/freeways/toll roads, I get my foot into it and it reaches 5-5.5k RPM's several times a weekend.

Originally Posted by paulri
Phishin, was your reason for using the additive, an increase in MPG or simply reduced wear? Have you noticed that UOAs are better with the additive, or your MPG has increased? I am a bit curious, I have already poured in Liquimoly MOS2 into both of my vehicles. Unfortunately, I have started to run the A/C so comparing MPG is going to be tough.


As I said above....I like the added cushion of AW and AF capabilities because of the nature of my driving habits. I've only had 2 UOA's done....as seen on this report. The prior was with Lubegard BioTech on board. I don't really like LM MOS2....I'm a bit skeptical of the settle issues it may have. Plus, my Honda can sit for a few weeks between starts....and that settling isn't very settling to me. LOL!!

Last edited by Phishin; 06/20/19 01:26 PM.

2018 Chevy Silverado 3500HD 6.0L Gas: RLI 10w30
2010 Accord-LX K24: MaxLife 5w30 + Torco MPZ
2014 CR-V LX K24: M1 0w30
Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139342
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Originally Posted by Phishin
2010 Honda Accord. 2.4L with AT. 175,461 miles on the odometer when the sample was taken.
This oil was run for 9,941 miles. A Fram Ultra (XG7317) was used doing this OCI. Oil and filter was changed at that time, and a sample was taken and sent to Blackstone for analysis.

The oil was Valvoline Maxlife 5w30 Full Synthetic with about 10 oz of Torco's MPZ 02 oil additive. Here is a link to their product: Torco MPZ 02 Additive

I have an email to Torco to see if the sodium and titanium came from their product. Maxlife doesn't have sodium and titanium in it, does it??

Here is a link to the 2015 UOA that you see on the report (old school PU + Lubegard BioTech): UOA from 2015

Here's the report:




I'll repeat, unless there are separate VOA's of:

1) Additive by itself,

2) PCMO by itself,

3) The Additive + the PCMO mix

There is no way to determine cause and effect or which component contributed to what effect in a UOA.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139357
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Nice UOA. I like that moly content with the Torco additive.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139375
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VML syn is a solid oil. Very quiet and has greatly reduced the leaks and weeps on my Accord.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5139461
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Looks good, thanks for posting.


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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: Phishin] #5154300
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That engine calls for 5W20. Why are you running 5W30?


2006 Accord SE - 2.4L - 105k mi
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Re: '10 Accord 2.4L Maxlife 5w30 FS + Torco MPZ 02 10k miles [Re: derass] #5154399
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Originally Posted by derass
That engine calls for 5W20. Why are you running 5W30?


Because I don't care to follow the CAFE suggestions/recommendations. I think a 30 weight, or even a light 40 weight, is optimal for most gasoline engines. Probably doesn't matter either way, but that's OK. I think a 30 weight is just better.

I imagine, when this engine hits 300K miles, I might start running M1 0w40....that's that's gonna be in another 4 years or so.


2018 Chevy Silverado 3500HD 6.0L Gas: RLI 10w30
2010 Accord-LX K24: MaxLife 5w30 + Torco MPZ
2014 CR-V LX K24: M1 0w30
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