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Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA #5137502
06/18/19 12:44 PM
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Maryville, TN
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So I happened to come across this VOA for Valvoline Premium Blue Restore.

Link for those interested.

I searched and I couldn't find any VOAs for this oil yet on BITOG.


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137510
06/18/19 12:50 PM
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Impressive zinc level.


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137523
06/18/19 01:04 PM
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But what is the deal with the viscosity at 100c at only 1.7?


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: old1] #5137534
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Maryville, TN
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Originally Posted by old1
But what is the deal with the viscosity at 100c at only 1.7?


Wondered that as well. Typo I assumed, it may be 11.7.


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137631
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I cant really find it anywhere but specialty shops, anyone have any links for a reasonably priced reseller?


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137729
06/18/19 05:20 PM
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Upper midwest
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I will be running an oil change of this oil every 30,000 miles on my car to help keep the rings free.

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137735
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Audios, Ryder Fleet Products is the only online place I've found it. If someone on the board were to buy a gallon, and send me a sample container's worth, I would be willing to send it to TestOil for a UOA which would include a particle count. Just sayin'....

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubieRubyRoo] #5137754
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Originally Posted by SubieRubyRoo
Audios, Ryder Fleet Products is the only online place I've found it. If someone on the board were to buy a gallon, and send me a sample container's worth, I would be willing to send it to TestOil for a UOA which would include a particle count. Just sayin'....

I will buy some when the Accord is due for an oil change. Probably sometime this fall.


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137774
06/18/19 06:37 PM
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What’s shown looks very good. It is interesting to know the oxidation value because the patent for this oil gives away clues as to which of the multiple recipes they made was chosen for the mass produced product. So we know how much and what type of ester was used. That allows the relationship to be estimated between ester concentration and oxidation value. I would have guessed it to be higher for this oil since it has so much ester and because Red Line’s regular street oils have oxidation values of around 90, vs 110 for VPBR. That tells me that those Red Line oils have more ester than I previously would have guessed. I don’t doubt that the type of ester, at a given concentration, can affect the oxidation value since the percent mass of oxygen atoms in the ester molecule varies, so an estimation of ester concentration from oxidation values will have some error. Further error is caused by oxygen-containing additives caring from one type of motor oil to another but this tends to fairly consistently result in oxidation values of around 8, as shown by motor oils containing no ester.

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5137814
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Here is a thread about the patent. I believe they went with Example 4 which has 50% Priolube 1973 POE.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4778351/Carbon-cleaning_Valvoline_Prem

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5138222
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If this is the holy grail for detergency.. then why does Redline have much more detergent additives?

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/5015428/red-line-0w-30-voa

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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: SubyRoo] #5138712
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krismoria, I think that detergent additives have a quite limited ability to remove deposits from surfaces. It would be interesting to know how the cleaning ability of various esters at various concentrations compares to various detergent additives at typical concentrations. Consider that this Valvoline oil has around 500,000 PPM of POE, so it has a huge concentration advantage over the detergent additives.

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: krismoriah72] #5140622
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Originally Posted by krismoriah72
If this is the holy grail for detergency.. then why does Redline have much more detergent additives?


Because detergents don't actually "deterge" like the tiny scrubbing bubbles in a toilet bowl. Detergents are acid neutralizers. Their job is to attack acidic growth in the oil to neutralize it so the acid doesn't become a catalyst for further oxidation, varnish, amd sludge. The job of the detergents is to keep the oil clean, not the engine. In order to mop up deposits, you need solvents. POE is a good solvent and VPBR contains around 50% POE.


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Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: RDY4WAR] #5149298
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by krismoriah72
If this is the holy grail for detergency.. then why does Redline have much more detergent additives?


Because detergents don't actually "deterge" like the tiny scrubbing bubbles in a toilet bowl. Detergents are acid neutralizers. Their job is to attack acidic growth in the oil to neutralize it so the acid doesn't become a catalyst for further oxidation, varnish, amd sludge. The job of the detergents is to keep the oil clean, not the engine. In order to mop up deposits, you need solvents. POE is a good solvent and VPBR contains around 50% POE.


Not sure what you mean by POE..did you mean PAO? if that is the case Why not this? its 100 Percent PAO.

https://www.hotshotsecret.com/shop/blue-diamond-pao-oil/

Re: Found a Premium Blue Restore VOA [Re: krismoriah72] #5149303
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Originally Posted by krismoriah72
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by krismoriah72
If this is the holy grail for detergency.. then why does Redline have much more detergent additives?


Because detergents don't actually "deterge" like the tiny scrubbing bubbles in a toilet bowl. Detergents are acid neutralizers. Their job is to attack acidic growth in the oil to neutralize it so the acid doesn't become a catalyst for further oxidation, varnish, amd sludge. The job of the detergents is to keep the oil clean, not the engine. In order to mop up deposits, you need solvents. POE is a good solvent and VPBR contains around 50% POE.


Not sure what you mean by POE..did you mean PAO? if that is the case Why not this? its 100 Percent PAO.

https://www.hotshotsecret.com/shop/blue-diamond-pao-oil/


POE = Polyol Ester
PAO = Polyalpha olefin

I would also be skeptical of an additive that claims to be 100% PAO. PAO has very poor solubility which is why PAO based engine oils are blended with naphthenics and esters to give it some solvency to solubilize the additive package. If they have any beneficial additives mixed in that 100% PAO, they would have very poor miscibility, almost certainly settling out of suspension just sitting on a shelf at the parts store.

Last edited by RDY4WAR; 07/02/19 08:23 AM.

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