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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5123495 06/02/19 09:56 PM
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There are a lotta facts, opinions regarding EVs and Teslas in particular.
In my opinion, the Model 3 is the most futuristic car on the planet. Nothing else is even close.


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Well … I’m seeing more and more around Houston …
It’s June … Thinking about the future … are they waterproof … ?

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Originally Posted by 4WD
Well … I’m seeing more and more around Houston …
It’s June … Thinking about the future … are they waterproof … ?

When you go to the car wash, the attendant turns off everything for you.
Windshield washers, and other stuff. All automatic.
Most owners don't know how.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5123957 06/03/19 11:41 AM
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For 4WD: No, they are not waterproof. The first time it rained on my car, it completely melted.


Do you know what was the biggest environmental issue in 1890 in cities like New York and Chicago? Do you know how it was solved?

Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5124448 06/03/19 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
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The country is urbanizing?
Maybe in parts of Oregon like Portland, but for most of us, the first thing young people with two pennies to rub together do after marrying when planning children is move to the 'burbs.
De-urbanization has been the trend for around seventy years now which is also the reason that the cores of so many older cities have rotted away.
There is also nothing new about BEVs, although the batteries Panasonic supplies Tesla are far more energy dense than were the batteries available even recently for cars like the GM EV-1.
Remember that car?
Generational?
Look again at the buyer demographic for Tesla cars.
Younger people generally don't have the bucks to buy or lease one while older buyers do, as is true for all higher buck offerings whether cars, housing or vacations.

By urbanizing I was including moving to the burbs. Rural and middle America is being hollowed out as people move to the coasts and population centers.


Educated people move where they think the jobs are and jobs are no longer concentrated in urban cores.
There are rural enclaves within easy driving reach of most conurbations with the commute not involving six+ lanes of super-slab.
One just has to have the savvy to find one.
We live in such a place and my twenty five mile each way commute is a blissfully easy ride through the countryside.
Too bad for my wife, though, since she has to hit I-75 south toward the 'natti and her going a similar distance takes her at least 30% longer.
WRT the middle of the country being hollowed out, not everyone wants the crowds, the traffic and the high housing costs that the coasts increasingly offer.
I think you'll see that trend reverse itself as more employers as well as their potential workers seek lower costs and less density in the middle of our country, which was never all that heavily populated to begin with.
In an age of easy and cheap transport from any A to any B as well as fast data transfer, there's really no reason for any employer to locate in high cost areas.
The left coast does at least offer a pleasant climate, but so many have left it to avoid all of the disadvantages inherent to living there.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5124661 06/03/19 10:38 PM
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In Silicon Valley, manufacturing is pretty much gone. Well except Tesla... The Model Y and Pickup are supposed to be out this year...
It used to be that there were more tool and die jobs here than anywhere in the world, to supply Semiconductor Manufacturing.

But Corporation Headquarters are staying and more are coming. The business end is here.
Apple Spaceship; 12K employees, plus so many other offices.

In downtown San Jose, near the Diridon train station, Google plans a development where 25,000 people could work, including 15,000 to 20,000 of the search giant’s employees, in a transit-oriented community of office buildings, homes, hotels, shops, restaurants and open spaces. 2.6M square feet, to start.
They also spent $300M to buy building complexes where I used to work in North San Jose.

This place is different; it is amazing.

Google San Jose Campus


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: JeffKeryk] #5128095 06/07/19 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
In Silicon Valley, manufacturing is pretty much gone. Well except Tesla... The Model Y and Pickup are supposed to be out this year...
It used to be that there were more tool and die jobs here than anywhere in the world, to supply Semiconductor Manufacturing.

But Corporation Headquarters are staying and more are coming. The business end is here.
Apple Spaceship; 12K employees, plus so many other offices.

In downtown San Jose, near the Diridon train station, Google plans a development where 25,000 people could work, including 15,000 to 20,000 of the search giant’s employees, in a transit-oriented community of office buildings, homes, hotels, shops, restaurants and open spaces. 2.6M square feet, to start.
They also spent $300M to buy building complexes where I used to work in North San Jose.

This place is different; it is amazing.

Google San Jose Campus


One thing that isn't different about the place is that the workers still need places to live.
The amazing part is that because there is so much demand for the available housing stock prices have been bid up into seven figures for quite modest places.
Simple microeconomics at work.
The rub in any new development is that there isn't enough housing available within any reasonable commute in time, ignoring miles, to accommodate all of these new campuses with their thousands of workers.
The good news is that with broadband connectivity everywhere as well as cheap transport, there is no reason for modern service providers to cluster their operations in any given geographical area, as though they were running factories and all of their supporting shops back in the eighteenth century.
It may take a bit for these firms to twig to this, but they must and will.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: JeffKeryk] #5128107 06/07/19 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Originally Posted by 4WD
Well … I’m seeing more and more around Houston …
It’s June … Thinking about the future … are they waterproof … ?

When you go to the car wash, the attendant turns off everything for you.
Windshield washers, and other stuff. All automatic.
Most owners don't know how.


Point is June brings in the hurricane season … will be interesting at some point in time. We don’t like to second guess the east<>west tracking … so many head north …
They may fall short of Dallas charges but will have to find other folks to help.

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One week in, and I couldn’t be happier with the car. Makes me wonder I didn’t switch to BEV sooner. Wife and I are already talking about replacing our Mini with a Model Y in a couple years.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5134084 06/14/19 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
One week in, and I couldn’t be happier with the car. Makes me wonder I didn’t switch to BEV sooner. Wife and I are already talking about replacing our Mini with a Model Y in a couple years.

I have been looking at cars in the $40K range (+/- $5K) and the Tesla keeps popping into my head. We took a Model 3 LR RWD for a test drive and love it, but the space is lacking and $50K is a lot of coin. The SR+ is closer to my price range but the range isn't quite enough with my heavy foot and heavy HVAC use.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: The Critic] #5134219 06/14/19 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
One week in, and I couldn’t be happier with the car. Makes me wonder I didn’t switch to BEV sooner. Wife and I are already talking about replacing our Mini with a Model Y in a couple years.

I have been looking at cars in the $40K range (+/- $5K) and the Tesla keeps popping into my head. We took a Model 3 LR RWD for a test drive and love it, but the space is lacking and $50K is a lot of coin. The SR+ is closer to my price range but the range isn't quite enough with my heavy foot and heavy HVAC use.

Michael, hang on and get the Model Y...

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One week in, and I couldn’t be happier with the car. Makes me wonder I didn’t switch to BEV sooner. Wife and I are already talking about replacing our Mini with a Model Y in a couple years.

I have been looking at cars in the $40K range (+/- $5K) and the Tesla keeps popping into my head. We took a Model 3 LR RWD for a test drive and love it, but the space is lacking and $50K is a lot of coin. The SR+ is closer to my price range but the range isn't quite enough with my heavy foot and heavy HVAC use.


Don't forget to factor in fuel savings. It adds up over time. It may not account for a $10k difference in price, but may approach $5k depending on location, whatever ICE car you're considering, and how long you expect to keep it.

And there's maintenance costs to factor in as well. The Tesla is cheap to maintain and brutally simple from a powertrain standpoint.

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5134264 06/14/19 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
One week in, and I couldn’t be happier with the car. Makes me wonder I didn’t switch to BEV sooner. Wife and I are already talking about replacing our Mini with a Model Y in a couple years.

I have been looking at cars in the $40K range (+/- $5K) and the Tesla keeps popping into my head. We took a Model 3 LR RWD for a test drive and love it, but the space is lacking and $50K is a lot of coin. The SR+ is closer to my price range but the range isn't quite enough with my heavy foot and heavy HVAC use.


Don't forget to factor in fuel savings. It adds up over time. It may not account for a $10k difference in price, but may approach $5k depending on location, whatever ICE car you're considering, and how long you expect to keep it.

And there's maintenance costs to factor in as well. The Tesla is cheap to maintain and brutally simple from a powertrain standpoint.

What are electricity costs in your area?
They are over .20/kwh here.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: The Critic] #5135097 06/15/19 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by The Critic
What are electricity costs in your area?
They are over .20/kwh here.


Wow that’s high. We’re at $0.12/kWh.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5135183 06/15/19 07:22 PM
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The Critic and I are in SF Bay Area, which has some of the highest rates in the nation, if I am not mistaken.
And only going up... I hear peak might hit 40 cents, dunno for sure.
Solar made sense for me.


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