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High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil VOA #5132589
06/12/19 07:33 PM
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This is an oil that we are looking into for our race cars.

Does anyone know where 14 ppm of nickel would come from in a virgin oil sample? What about the vanadium and barium?

The base oil is a blend of 1-decene, homopolymer PAO and 1-decene, trimer PAO. The ZDDP is short-chained secondary type. The moly is all tri-nuclear.

Let me know what you think.

EDIT: The VOA seems difficult to read on here when loaded. Here's the data.

Iron: 0
Chromium: 1
Nickel: 14
Aluminum: 0
Copper: 3
Lead: 0
Tin: 0
Cadmium: 0
Silver: 0
Vanadium: 4
Silicon: 23
Sodium: 17
Potassium: 0
Titanium: 0
Molybdenum: 1747
Antimony: 0
Manganese: 0
Lithium: 0
Boron: 118
Magnesium: 4
Calcium: 2488
Barium: 8
Phosphorus: 790
Zinc: 947

KV100 = 10.2 cSt
TBN = 8.72
Oxidation = 11
Nitration = 5

This is a VIRGIN oil sample, not used. OAI screwed that up so ignore the comments.

HPL Bad Ass Racing 5w-30 edited.jpg
Last edited by RDY4WAR; 06/12/19 07:45 PM.

"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132597
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The quart jug just in case someone's curious about the name.

HPL Bad Ass Racing 5w-30 rotated.jpg

"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132625
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That dose of tri-nuclear moly is impressive. Is this oil for sale to the general public?

Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: JAG] #5132763
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Originally Posted by JAG
That dose of tri-nuclear moly is impressive. Is this oil for sale to the general public?


I don't see why not, but I wouldn't know where to get it. If you were to contact HPL, I'm sure they'd be able to connect you with a retailer that might have it.


"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132777
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Wow. Lots of molybdenum


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Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132811
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Get it retested, maybe by a different lab, or take the same quart bottle and sent to 2 different labs. I am thinking either the oil you got is fubar, or the test was buggered up.

Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132812
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And what about silicon ? I think I would look elsewhere for an oil supplier.

Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132819
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Why? Redline Oil has highish silicon at mid 10s. I think he should look into Redline or Klotz oils though.


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Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132876
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Oil Analyzers IS "Polaris Labs" and when they saw Nickel that high, I can almost say for sure it was retested as part of protocol. It doesn't matter ifit is VOA why the nickel and in a virgin oil for that matter.

Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132893
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I always thought that anything more than 100ppm of Moly was a waste?

I too would give that a miss.

So many other off the shelf oils I would pick over that.


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Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5132959
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The silicon is for anti-foaming. I'm not worried about that. I actually want that there.

More than 100 ppm of moly may not show any gains for a daily commuter cruising along at 2000 rpm. The engine this oil is going in is a big block V8 making 1300+ horsepower at 9000 rpm in a highly competitive racing class. We'll take any edge we can get. The margin of victories often come down to thousandths of a second.


"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: Bailes1992] #5132999
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Originally Posted by Bailes1992
I always thought that anything more than 100ppm of Moly was a waste?


I'm pretty sure I remember reading in a research paper posted on here a while back that moly really doesn't start to show real friction reduction benefits until it is OVER 200 ppm. There were a couple other "benefits" to higher moly... as long as the base oil will keep it in suspension.

Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5133299
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The formulator got back to me about the 14 ppm of nickel. He said it's just a catalyst leftover from the production of the additive package and not something to worry about. Same for the vanadium. He also noted that the TAN for the sample they've run is 1.46.


"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: RDY4WAR] #5133335
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Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
The silicon is for anti-foaming. I'm not worried about that. I actually want that there.

More than 100 ppm of moly may not show any gains for a daily commuter cruising along at 2000 rpm. The engine this oil is going in is a big block V8 making 1300+ horsepower at 9000 rpm in a highly competitive racing class. We'll take any edge we can get. The margin of victories often come down to thousandths of a second.


May I ask where you purchased this oil? My dad is interested in this for his 56' Chevy gasser

Thank You

Last edited by 53' Stude; 06/13/19 04:06 PM.


Re: High Performance Lubricants BAS 5w-30 Racing Oil [Re: 53' Stude] #5133370
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Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
The silicon is for anti-foaming. I'm not worried about that. I actually want that there.

More than 100 ppm of moly may not show any gains for a daily commuter cruising along at 2000 rpm. The engine this oil is going in is a big block V8 making 1300+ horsepower at 9000 rpm in a highly competitive racing class. We'll take any edge we can get. The margin of victories often come down to thousandths of a second.


May I ask where you purchased this oil? My dad is interested in this for his 56' Chevy gasser

Thank You


This oil was gifted to me to try it out. I'll find out where it can purchased.


"He who is without oil, shall throw the first rod." - Compressions 9:1
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