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98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? #5132496 06/12/19 04:14 PM
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98 Expedition 5.4 4x4.
Here is where I am at.
Intake is off, all surrounding everything is also off.
Changing spark plugs and one (2nd from front on passenger side) is stripped out.
Timesert and locknstitch seem a little expensive (450-500.00) for one plug.
I saw one that bdCardinal recommended as well for 250.00.
These could potentially be done with heads on.
I could have someone who has Timesert kit do it for less than 100.00 if I could get him the head.
Question is, how much more work is it from here to get the head off and back on (in my driveway). And would I be needing any special tools?
Trying to decide which way to go with this.
I do plan to keep the vehicle.
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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Fitz98] #5132500 06/12/19 04:18 PM
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The way you have it makes it much easier than yanking the head which is a big job, cam chains and cover. Do all 8 and be done with it.


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Trav] #5132526 06/12/19 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
The way you have it makes it much easier than yanking the head which is a big job, cam chains and cover. Do all 8 and be done with it.


I second this. The 5.4 is a good engine, fix those pesky ejecting plugs and ride it until the body rusts before the engine goes

Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Fitz98] #5132533 06/12/19 05:19 PM
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LS Swap and never look back.

In all seriousness like Trav said, pulling the head is a pretty big job. I have done 2 of them with friends who were doing other things. Not my favorite by far.

Do all 8 and move on from there. No reason to pull he heads.


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Fitz98] #5132539 06/12/19 05:34 PM
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Pulling the heads on those is no fun with the body on. Like Trav said, everything is right there for you to go to town on.

As for the LS swap, I vote a 4.8, off-brand studs installed one at a time, with 2 Chinese choo-choo spinny boys, and a Holley Terminator X.


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: bdcardinal] #5132548 06/12/19 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bdcardinal


As for the LS swap, I vote a 4.8, off-brand studs installed one at a time, with 2 Chinese choo-choo spinny boys, and a Holley Terminator X.


A CARB! You are dead to me. laugh


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: ls1mike] #5132551 06/12/19 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ls1mike
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As for the LS swap, I vote a 4.8, off-brand studs installed one at a time, with 2 Chinese choo-choo spinny boys, and a Holley Terminator X.


A CARB! You are dead to me. laugh


No no no, I don't support toilets on an LS. The Terminator X throttle body, but let a racoon tune it.


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Fitz98] #5132552 06/12/19 05:44 PM
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An Expy of that age is not exactly destined for a long future life.
Why didn't you just leave the plugs alone, especially given the known problems these engines have with inadequate threads?


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: bdcardinal] #5132554 06/12/19 05:49 PM
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As for the LS swap, I vote a 4.8, off-brand studs installed one at a time, with 2 Chinese choo-choo spinny boys, and a Holley Terminator X.


A CARB! You are dead to me. laugh


No no no, I don't support toilets on an LS. The Terminator X throttle body, but let a racoon tune it.


LOL!!


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There's only two ways I'd do it.

Cheap heli-coil or pull the heads and do the cal-van inserts. If you're going to keep it a few years, it wouldn't be a terrible idea to pull the heads off and replace the cam chains / tensioners and do the inserts.


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Re: 98 Expedition - Pull Head or Not? [Re: Fitz98] #5132562 06/12/19 05:58 PM
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Thanks guys.
bdcardinal sent me this in another post.
Seems like a good kit, any feedback on this vs locknstitch?
250.00 vs ??? for locknstitch. Time-sert is about 450-500.
CalVan Tools 38900 Two Valve Ford Triton Tool Kit

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Originally Posted by fdcg27
An Expy of that age is not exactly destined for a long future life.
Why didn't you just leave the plugs alone, especially given the known problems these engines have with inadequate threads?

Believe me, I hesitated for a moment and considered this, but then I thought about what a PITA it is to change the plugs on these when the intake is on, now it is all open and accessible. This spark plug hole in question was loose when I took it out. If I just left it, I would have been stuck on the side of the road sometime in the future with a blown out plug. I would rather deal with it in a controlled circumstance now.

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If you're pulling the head, at least view price quotes on a new head vs repair costs.

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An Expy of that age is not exactly destined for a long future life.
Why didn't you just leave the plugs alone, especially given the known problems these engines have with inadequate threads?

Believe me, I hesitated for a moment and considered this, but then I thought about what a PITA it is to change the plugs on these when the intake is on, now it is all open and accessible. This spark plug hole in question was loose when I took it out. If I just left it, I would have been stuck on the side of the road sometime in the future with a blown out plug. I would rather deal with it in a controlled circumstance now.


Why would a blown out plug leave you on the side of the road? I've driven V8's with seven and even six working cylinders. Not ideal but will get you home. And is there something special about this truck that you want to spend so much money and effort on? You can buy them on Craigslist for under $2000 all day long.

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Originally Posted by Fitz98
Thanks guys.
bdcardinal sent me this in another post.
Seems like a good kit, any feedback on this vs locknstitch?
250.00 vs ??? for locknstitch. Time-sert is about 450-500.
CalVan Tools 38900 Two Valve Ford Triton Tool Kit


That is one of the ones I was thinking of also when I said there are cheaper alternatives, they work fine and put a nice insert in. The problem with helicoils is you have to break the tang off for one and its in an open hole which is not the best thing, they work better in blind holes.


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