HDEO oil question
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SN does not necessarily mean low zinc. The reason is that straight wt oil, any multi 40wt, or higher, and some others aren't dictated by SN. For instance, M! TDT is SN with 1100 ppm of zince, their 0w40 is SN with 1100 ppm zinc, etc. SN only regulates certain viscosity oils, which I'm thinking is 40wt and up, neither do I think it dictates zinc levels in HDEO oils even though they are dual rated. Funny stuff. I wouldn't get all worked up over zinc levels until they go below 800ppm or so, for any oem engines of recent manufacture. There are other anti wear additives and the technology marches on, while we worry too much.
The way it was told to me by my Zen Master was that the xW40 oils were able to get an SN designation even with the high (+1000) zinc but now the gig is up and they won't give out the SN unless you are at 800 ppm or lower. Could be wrong. Ohhhhm .
Originally Posted by loneryder
Thanks all. Claluja your link doesn't work. I like the M1 TDT. Then I was looking at Delo full syn xle 5-40 and it shows 800ppm of zinc. Was confused about that.
Sorry - here is link. All 5w40 oils in the list will have at least 1000 ppm phosphorous and zinc. OP - what engine are you using this in?
https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/additionalinfo/dieseloilsWSSM2C171F1.pdf
Thanks all. Claluja your link doesn't work. I like the M1 TDT. Then I was looking at Delo full syn xle 5-40 and it shows 800ppm of zinc. Was confused about that.
Sorry - here is link. All 5w40 oils in the list will have at least 1000 ppm phosphorous and zinc. OP - what engine are you using this in?
https://www.fcsdchemicalsandlubricants.com/main/additionalinfo/dieseloilsWSSM2C171F1.pdf
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Originally Posted by loneryder
I'm looking for a CK4/E9 oil that has a 1000 or more ppm of Zinc. Some oils contain 1000 or more and some have about 800. If it also has an SN rating, does that indicate that it will have less zinc? Looking for 5-40.
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
I'm looking for a CK4/E9 oil that has a 1000 or more ppm of Zinc. Some oils contain 1000 or more and some have about 800. If it also has an SN rating, does that indicate that it will have less zinc? Looking for 5-40.
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
Because you want fully formulated/balanced oil and not some "frankenbrew" wich chemistry can fail because you fiddled with it...
SN does not mean low Zinc no.
Total Quartz 7000 10W-40 is a semi-syn SN - A3/B4 oil with 1300ppm of Zinc
Total Quartz 7000 10W-40 is a semi-syn SN - A3/B4 oil with 1300ppm of Zinc
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Are you sure? Aint it API SL?
Edit: https://catalog.lubricants.total.com/en/products/nih/QUARTZ-7000-ENERGY-10W-40
Edit2 same with its cousin: http://www.elf.com/en/consumers/car-oil/car-engine-oil/elf-evolution-700-sti-10w-40.html
Edit: https://catalog.lubricants.total.com/en/products/nih/QUARTZ-7000-ENERGY-10W-40
Edit2 same with its cousin: http://www.elf.com/en/consumers/car-oil/car-engine-oil/elf-evolution-700-sti-10w-40.html
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Total is a specialist of not updating their specs - last time I used this oil (was probably 2014), it was API SL, but current version is SN :
https://catalogue-lubrifiants-elf-total.total.fr/fr/products/104/ACTIVA-7000-DIESEL-10W-40
http://www.lubs-products-database.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/20500/20816
That said, with modern oil chemistry, high zinc isn't always necessary anymore...depending on application, etc. As already said, API SN Zinc/phos limit is mostly for 30 grade and under.
https://catalogue-lubrifiants-elf-total.total.fr/fr/products/104/ACTIVA-7000-DIESEL-10W-40
http://www.lubs-products-database.total.com/gallery/ORIGINALS/visuels/20500/20816
That said, with modern oil chemistry, high zinc isn't always necessary anymore...depending on application, etc. As already said, API SN Zinc/phos limit is mostly for 30 grade and under.
For that issue seek one particular thread here wich treats MoTDC levels vs timing chain wear...
EDIT: here you have it...
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...additives-are-best-for-timing-chain-life
EDIT: here you have it...
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/foru...additives-are-best-for-timing-chain-life
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For timing chain, it appears Zinc and Phos are not your friends, and Moly is.
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
The way it was told to me by my Zen Master was that the xW40 oils were able to get an SN designation even with the high (+1000) zinc but now the gig is up and they won't give out the SN unless you are at 800 ppm or lower. Could be wrong. Ohhhhm .
There's no phosphorus (note the spelling - not phosphorous) limit for 40-grade and higher oils, only for 30 and lower.
OP asked for Zn though - Zn is not measured or controlled but comes as a partner to P, at differing ratios dependent on the ZDDP and any other Zn-containing additives.
The way it was told to me by my Zen Master was that the xW40 oils were able to get an SN designation even with the high (+1000) zinc but now the gig is up and they won't give out the SN unless you are at 800 ppm or lower. Could be wrong. Ohhhhm .
There's no phosphorus (note the spelling - not phosphorous) limit for 40-grade and higher oils, only for 30 and lower.
OP asked for Zn though - Zn is not measured or controlled but comes as a partner to P, at differing ratios dependent on the ZDDP and any other Zn-containing additives.
Most CK-4/SN oils have Zinc higher than 1,000 ppm. Zinc is not controlled in these oils. Phosphorus is controlled in SN at 800 ppm Max. In CK-4 it is controlled at 1,200 ppm Max.
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by loneryder
I'm looking for a CK4/E9 oil that has a 1000 or more ppm of Zinc. Some oils contain 1000 or more and some have about 800. If it also has an SN rating, does that indicate that it will have less zinc? Looking for 5-40.
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
STP is more of an additive diluter. The zinc and phosphorus levels are lower than the minimum for API SN. It's about 550 ppm zinc and 450 ppm phosphorus.
Originally Posted by loneryder
I'm looking for a CK4/E9 oil that has a 1000 or more ppm of Zinc. Some oils contain 1000 or more and some have about 800. If it also has an SN rating, does that indicate that it will have less zinc? Looking for 5-40.
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
STP is more of an additive diluter. The zinc and phosphorus levels are lower than the minimum for API SN. It's about 550 ppm zinc and 450 ppm phosphorus.
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
STP is more of an additive diluter. The zinc and phosphorus levels are lower than the minimum for API SN. It's about 550 ppm zinc and 450 ppm phosphorus.
One version from 2012:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2701357
The fact that STP themselves don't give the concentration is a clue by itself. All they say is "CONTAINS ZINC ANTI-WEAR AGENT ZDDP" which of course only means it might have 1 ppm.
It helps to know what it is you're adding.
Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Stupid question but if you want more zinc why not just dump s bottle of STP in there? They have a full syn version of it too...
STP is more of an additive diluter. The zinc and phosphorus levels are lower than the minimum for API SN. It's about 550 ppm zinc and 450 ppm phosphorus.
One version from 2012:
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2701357
The fact that STP themselves don't give the concentration is a clue by itself. All they say is "CONTAINS ZINC ANTI-WEAR AGENT ZDDP" which of course only means it might have 1 ppm.
It helps to know what it is you're adding.
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