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Re: VII (VM), shear, base-oil viscosity, HTHSV, friction, and wear: State of the art [Re: Gokhan] #5130739
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Originally Posted by Gokhan
That said, to answer your questions, this is what they said about temporary shear of the VIIs (VMs), which I already quoted in my summary of the paper: "Temporary shear thinning is generally believed to result from conformational changes, such as partial alignment of the VM polymer molecules in solution under shear, that reduce the interactions between solvent/polymer and polymer/polymer molecules and thus the blend viscosity. The low shear rate viscosity is recovered fully after cessation of shear."

According to what they are saying, when the shear rate becomes very high, these interactions become so weak that the VIIs no longer contribute to the viscosity. Of course, they don't go anywhere -- the loss of interaction is due to their alignment under shear.


This link talks about that in Figure 2, and the text about Figure 2 on page 39. And this was back in 2004.

https://www.stle.org/images/pdf/STL...20and%20Friction_tlt%20article_Oct04.pdf

Re: VII (VM), shear, base-oil viscosity, HTHSV, friction, and wear: State of the art [Re: Gokhan] #5133413
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Here is the theory behind my HTFS formula:

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The average error in HTFS for different VII types is only 6%.

However, I didn't study the error in ASTM D341 and density extrapolation, as the paper had the dynamic-viscosity values directly but not the density values.

Here is the comparison of my formula to the test oils in the paper. The oil (type of the base oil, DI, and VII) is described in the first column. I couldn't compare most DI-containing oils except Oil #11 because they didn't have high-temperature data on them.

Note that the DI (detergent inhibitor) package shears as well, in some case substantially. As a result, in the second Newtonian phase (ultrahigh shear rates, full temporary shear), you're left with the base oil + unsheared part of the DI + VII solvent but the VII polymer has no effect.

PMA VII is unusual in that the viscosity-boost rate increases with the temperature, greatly enhancing the viscosity index (VI). Some ultrahigh-viscosity-index 0W-20 oils may be using a PMA VII. The downside is that it requires a lot more polymer than other VII types, which could increase the deposit formation. Nevertheless, the formula still works for the PMA VII, as far as HTFS is concerned. Note that the calculation of the VI, which is a secondary calculation, is not accurate, especially for VIIs with a strongly temperature-dependent viscosity-boost rate.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gnOrQxsbymULx1s6_uBQi8zNHfJXg7lwwQpwzLSIWQI/edit?usp=sharing


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