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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5126854
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Why is it surprising? They are quality built cars.

I think these cars get a bad rep because of the ripoff dealers.

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Not a lot of love on BITOG for Hyundai products.

Just Crown Vics........

My 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe XL just hit the two year mark-and 24,000 miles. GREAT-thus far.

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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5127373
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Nobody else was talking about Crown Vics?

And like half the people on this forum have Hyundais.


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: MarkM66] #5127503
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Originally Posted by MarkM66
I'm surprised an Audi made it over 200k miles. crzy

It will, easy.
It will not in hands of those that lost their way behind steering wheel.


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5127601
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comparing an 07 Audi6 to some Hyundai Tucson is beyond me; on the other hand, people are buying different reasons, some for a status, some for efficiency, some for long trips, some for hauling, warranty, resale value etc etc; this is why you see a veriety of them on the road...

recently one of my cousins bought '16 X5 e40 with 30K miles on the odometer, so it is a plugin hybrid, OTD price $42K; to me that's is so selfish and self centered but hey its his money and he wants to look good and I understand that; however, he cannot look down on others that drive $2k cars for example; so just as someone said earlier, everyones situation is different, with different needs and preference; thus we all drive different vhiecles


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5127649
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Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Why is it surprising? They are quality built cars.

I think these cars get a bad rep because of the ripoff dealers.


My mistake. Good to know. I always liked the looks of Audi's, but wasn't so sure about their reliability. I'm sure some models/options are better than others.

Thanks

Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: MarkM66] #5127835
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Originally Posted by MarkM66
Originally Posted by Alfred_B
Why is it surprising? They are quality built cars.

I think these cars get a bad rep because of the ripoff dealers.


My mistake. Good to know. I always liked the looks of Audi's, but wasn't so sure about their reliability. I'm sure some models/options are better than others.

Thanks

As usual, reliability of European cars is measured by testimony of a boyfriend of a second cousin friend.


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: miden851] #5127840
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Originally Posted by miden851
comparing an 07 Audi6 to some Hyundai Tucson is beyond me; on the other hand, people are buying different reasons, some for a status, some for efficiency, some for long trips, some for hauling, warranty, resale value etc etc; this is why you see a veriety of them on the road...

recently one of my cousins bought '16 X5 e40 with 30K miles on the odometer, so it is a plugin hybrid, OTD price $42K; to me that's is so selfish and self centered but hey its his money and he wants to look good and I understand that; however, he cannot look down on others that drive $2k cars for example; so just as someone said earlier, everyones situation is different, with different needs and preference; thus we all drive different vhiecles

Why you think he bought BMW for status? BMW were always MUCH better cars to drive than pretty much anything in the class they belong.
So, what makes you think cousin bought that for neighbors to look at? It could be, but that is not the case universally just because people buy cars like that.
For example, I will never understand why would someone buy Toyota Camry and not good used Audi for example? Should I draw conclusion that they a. do not have clue about cars (as driving Camry is same as driving in public transportation) and b. they are too cheap, so they must ship aways from their kids too? Should we assume that?


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: edyvw] #5127853
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Originally Posted by edyvw
For example, I will never understand why would someone buy Toyota Camry and not good used Audi for example? Should I draw conclusion that they a. do not have clue about cars (as driving Camry is same as driving in public transportation) and b. they are too cheap, so they must ship aways from their kids too? Should we assume that?

I'm not even sure what you are asking...

Question: what has a lower TCO, Camry or Audi? Make sure to toss in roads with potholes and then road salt also.


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Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by edyvw
For example, I will never understand why would someone buy Toyota Camry and not good used Audi for example? Should I draw conclusion that they a. do not have clue about cars (as driving Camry is same as driving in public transportation) and b. they are too cheap, so they must ship aways from their kids too? Should we assume that?

I'm not even sure what you are asking...

Question: what has a lower TCO, Camry or Audi? Make sure to toss in roads with potholes and then road salt also.



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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5127938
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I think it was established early in the thread that Alfred was actually talking about his preference vs. a direct comparison between the two vehicles...but a BITOG "second wind" gives us more personal preference as "appliance vehicle" or incredulity that someone would buy a Camry and not a Euro make...while inferring that VAG products are somehow closer to the reliability / bulletproof qualities of Toyotas than most people think. I've seen this movie before....

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Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by edyvw
For example, I will never understand why would someone buy Toyota Camry and not good used Audi for example? Should I draw conclusion that they a. do not have clue about cars (as driving Camry is same as driving in public transportation) and b. they are too cheap, so they must ship aways from their kids too? Should we assume that?

I'm not even sure what you are asking...

Question: what has a lower TCO, Camry or Audi? Make sure to toss in roads with potholes and then road salt also.

Sorry, chip away from kids. Plus, driving kids in Audi, is FAR safer.
Potholes? Audi. Toyota and potholes is like observing car being split in half (I am waiting something to fall off of my Toyota from potholes. Inside, already happened). On top of that, it is Toyota, it WILL RUST! There is NO Asian manufacturer that has even close rust protection like ANY German vehicle.
So, you can spend money on brand new microwave or actual vehicle. It could be argued same way it is argued about purchasing that BMW.
My Tiguan with 77k, looks inside out 10 times better than Sienna, and BMW I traded in for Sienna (due to family needs) with some 116k looked like brand new vehicle and drove like brand new vehicle. In SIenna with 57k, I am waiting windows to drop any moment, there is ghost in my dashboard as of last few weeks, and there is something resembling suspension, but it should not be called that way.

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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Vuflanovsky] #5127959
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Originally Posted by Vuflanovsky
I think it was established early in the thread that Alfred was actually talking about his preference vs. a direct comparison between the two vehicles...but a BITOG "second wind" gives us more personal preference as "appliance vehicle" or incredulity that someone would buy a Camry and not a Euro make...while inferring that VAG products are somehow closer to the reliability / bulletproof qualities of Toyotas than most people think. I've seen this movie before....

The second wind brought selfishness and regular testimonies of boyfriends of second cousin friend. Buying BMW is selfish, I guess buying Camry is ignorance.


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Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: Alfred_B] #5127997
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As long as you don't say that the average VAG product approaches the average Toyota product in terms of "issues" then I have no problem in letting everybody have their preferences to run with...Convincing somebody that Toyotas are X and BMW/VAG are Y is fine as long as someone can accept that the context might not really apply. Is driving a BMW somewhere between self-conscious and self-congratulatory and driving a Camry is a totally soul-sucking, ubiquitous experience?? I don't know...but if you don't care it doesn't really matter and convincing somebody who still doesn't want to care is a tough row to hoe.

I drove a Mk IV Golf for 10 years as a second car and while it wasn't terrible, I think there's a "truism" with the idea that the window regulator, coil pack, bulb, etc. issues with that era car don't really happen in the same niggling ( sometimes called "overengineered" ) way with the average Toyota. On that front, I guess my personal experience and that of others I know don't need boyfriends and second cousin's friends to confirm. Personally, I think the EA211 1.4T is a great engine and I wouldn't mind having it in my current commuter car but I might be engaging in some thread drift...

Re: Interesting observation Hyundai Tuscon [Re: edyvw] #5128002
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Potholes? Audi. Toyota and potholes is like observing car being split in half (I am waiting something to fall off of my Toyota from potholes. Inside, already happened). On top of that, it is Toyota, it WILL RUST! There is NO Asian manufacturer that has even close rust protection like ANY German vehicle.
So, you can spend money on brand new microwave or actual vehicle. It could be argued same way it is argued about purchasing that BMW.
My Tiguan with 77k, looks inside out 10 times better than Sienna, and BMW I traded in for Sienna (due to family needs) with some 116k looked like brand new vehicle and drove like brand new vehicle. In SIenna with 57k, I am waiting windows to drop any moment, there is ghost in my dashboard as of last few weeks, and there is something resembling suspension, but it should not be called that way.

Who cares what it looks like, how does it go and what's the TCO? It sounds like you think the Toyota will fail sooner, require more repairs, and ultimately require replacement more often than the Audi.

I agree, Toyota's rust quite nicely. Unfortunately so did my VW. I'm still waiting to see if my Toyota's outlast my VW, the VW did make 314k before I decided the amount of repairs it needed was too much.


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