Originally Posted by SatinSilver
Originally Posted by edyvw
t is hard for people to understand that who never owned German vehicles. Put comfort on a side.
My VW Tiguan feels like a tank compared to Toyota a got, and my BMW X5 I traded in for Toyota felt like a tank compared to Tiguan.
Not to mention that BMW with 110k did not have one single indication of wear on steering wheel, leather surfaces, dashboard etc. I got Toyota with 41k, and steering wheel is already showing wear, leather surfaces are kind of wrinkly, and built quality compared to VW and especially BMW is non existent. It is like riding in beer can. And this is Limited edition that was $46K brand new. While BMW was $70k new, Tiguan was I think (I got it used) $32K new, and still looks like brand new car with 75k miles.
Interesting numbers that you report there. Carmax has a 2015 BMW X5 with 27k miles for only $33k. Which is probably what you paid for your 2015 Sienna with more miles on it. So the X5 depreciates faster than an empty can of beer. Which is quite odd since the SUV market is so hot right now. Plus Carmax is usually very high on their prices so a nice one can probably be found for under 30k which is new Tiguan territory.
https://www.carmax.com/car/16631568
This is exactly the point.
High end German cars have always had high depreciation even when they really were all made in Germany, unlike the X5 or the Mexican VWs.
This is what makes a used Mercedes or BMW such a tempting buy.
Even certain Porsche models depreciate rapidly, the Panamera being a good example of this. VW has also offered some very costly models that can now be bought on the cheap.
If you really want a German high-end car, they can be had quite cheaply as used cars. For less than what I paid for our last three Japanese brand cars we could have been rockin' high-zoot Teutonic iron and one of the nice things about German cars is that they usually don't look dated for years, so nobody knows that you're really driving an older used ride. OTOH, there is far more potential for mechanical catastrophe with one of these than with a new Subie or Accord, although the reality doesn't live up to the value-depressing expensive to own hype in our experience with aging Benaes and BMWs.
Really pretty solid cars for those who know a little more than those who think they do and there are plenty of online forums for each to help any prospective buyer sort out the more desirable models.
Originally Posted by edyvw
t is hard for people to understand that who never owned German vehicles. Put comfort on a side.
My VW Tiguan feels like a tank compared to Toyota a got, and my BMW X5 I traded in for Toyota felt like a tank compared to Tiguan.
Not to mention that BMW with 110k did not have one single indication of wear on steering wheel, leather surfaces, dashboard etc. I got Toyota with 41k, and steering wheel is already showing wear, leather surfaces are kind of wrinkly, and built quality compared to VW and especially BMW is non existent. It is like riding in beer can. And this is Limited edition that was $46K brand new. While BMW was $70k new, Tiguan was I think (I got it used) $32K new, and still looks like brand new car with 75k miles.
Interesting numbers that you report there. Carmax has a 2015 BMW X5 with 27k miles for only $33k. Which is probably what you paid for your 2015 Sienna with more miles on it. So the X5 depreciates faster than an empty can of beer. Which is quite odd since the SUV market is so hot right now. Plus Carmax is usually very high on their prices so a nice one can probably be found for under 30k which is new Tiguan territory.
https://www.carmax.com/car/16631568
This is exactly the point.
High end German cars have always had high depreciation even when they really were all made in Germany, unlike the X5 or the Mexican VWs.
This is what makes a used Mercedes or BMW such a tempting buy.
Even certain Porsche models depreciate rapidly, the Panamera being a good example of this. VW has also offered some very costly models that can now be bought on the cheap.
If you really want a German high-end car, they can be had quite cheaply as used cars. For less than what I paid for our last three Japanese brand cars we could have been rockin' high-zoot Teutonic iron and one of the nice things about German cars is that they usually don't look dated for years, so nobody knows that you're really driving an older used ride. OTOH, there is far more potential for mechanical catastrophe with one of these than with a new Subie or Accord, although the reality doesn't live up to the value-depressing expensive to own hype in our experience with aging Benaes and BMWs.
Really pretty solid cars for those who know a little more than those who think they do and there are plenty of online forums for each to help any prospective buyer sort out the more desirable models.