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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125681 06/05/19 08:24 AM
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Was it 2 or 3 quarts. Oil light should come on at about 2 quarts low. Was the low oil light on?

How long was the old oil in there?

The 2.0t folks have complained about oil consumption with the Amsoil, but not with Mobil 1 or Pennzoil.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: 2004tdigls] #5125683 06/05/19 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 2004tdigls
the motor is done because it has obviously been run way to low on oil for extended periods of time



I wonder if getting involved with this engine is the right thing to do. It's probably going to fail soon. Is she going to blame you?

Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: ls1mike] #5125701 06/05/19 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1mike
Was it 2 or 3 quarts. Oil light should come on at about 2 quarts low. Was the low oil light on?

How long was the old oil in there?

The 2.0t folks have complained about oil consumption with the Amsoil, but not with Mobil 1 or Pennzoil.


She had a oil change sticker from the Belle Tire shop that changed it last, and the mileage was fairly close to when I changed it. The oil light never came on, but the reason I say it was about 2-3 qt low is that I used windshield wiper fluid gallon jugs to collect the old oil. The book said 5 quarts of 5W-30 with filter change. What I collected was a lot less than the full jug. Saying it was 4 quarts / 1 gallon is a stretch, more like maybe 3 quarts. Normally when I change the oil on an application that needs 5 quarts, I will fill that gallon jug and then fill some of the other jug. I was able to only get a lot less than 4 quarts even draining the filter dry.

Do you have any links to complaints about consumption with Amsoil? She claimed the dealers and Belle Tire used M1 5W-30 in the past. It was the first time I used Amsoil in this engine based on her recommendation.

Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125718 06/05/19 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
[ge the oil on an application that needs 5 quarts, I will fill that gallon jug and then fill some of the other jug. I was able to only get a lot less than 4 quarts even draining the filter dry.


so it was really 1 to 1.5quarts low? or is that the new math?

If you could see the oil on the dipstick it wasnt 2 quarts low.

The add mark is 1 quart low.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125727 06/05/19 09:07 AM
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If she’s been running Mobil 1 5W30 then, Mobil 1 5W30 High Mileage would be a good choice. I don’t see any reason for Amsoil. Also, make sure the PCV valve or valves are functional and replace as necessary.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125743 06/05/19 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
Originally Posted by ls1mike
Was it 2 or 3 quarts. Oil light should come on at about 2 quarts low. Was the low oil light on?

How long was the old oil in there?

The 2.0t folks have complained about oil consumption with the Amsoil, but not with Mobil 1 or Pennzoil.


She had a oil change sticker from the Belle Tire shop that changed it last, and the mileage was fairly close to when I changed it. The oil light never came on, but the reason I say it was about 2-3 qt low is that I used windshield wiper fluid gallon jugs to collect the old oil. The book said 5 quarts of 5W-30 with filter change. What I collected was a lot less than the full jug. Saying it was 4 quarts / 1 gallon is a stretch, more like maybe 3 quarts. Normally when I change the oil on an application that needs 5 quarts, I will fill that gallon jug and then fill some of the other jug. I was able to only get a lot less than 4 quarts even draining the filter dry.

Do you have any links to complaints about consumption with Amsoil? She claimed the dealers and Belle Tire used M1 5W-30 in the past. It was the first time I used Amsoil in this engine based on her recommendation.

I will find them again. It was on the Camaro and Cadillac board...Us Malibu owners are too cheap to use Amsoil…. smile LOL


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125745 06/05/19 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'm working on a 2015 Malibu LTZ with the 2LT package that has the 2.0 LTG Engine (GTDI).

Original owner, claims she had the oil changed based on oil life monitor each time with Mobil 1 synthetic. Currently has 73,000 miles. I changed her oil and filter with Amsoil SS 5W-30 and an Amsoil Ea filter at 68,000 miles. The oil that came out at 68,000 was super black and about 3 quarts low. At 5,000 miles, her engine is about the same level low (on the dipstick) so I'm guesstimating 2-3 quarts low. But this is with Amsoil SS 5W-30.


It's not going to matter what is in the sump if the engine is allowed to routinely get that low, which sounds like is the case. She's not checking the oil, so your best bet, if you can't convince her to check it, is to just change it more frequently.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: Rand] #5125767 06/05/19 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rand
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[ge the oil on an application that needs 5 quarts, I will fill that gallon jug and then fill some of the other jug. I was able to only get a lot less than 4 quarts even draining the filter dry.


so it was really 1 to 1.5quarts low? or is that the new math?

If you could see the oil on the dipstick it wasnt 2 quarts low.

The add mark is 1 quart low.


It wasn't anywhere close to the cross-hatched area. I'd say 2 quarts low at a minimum. I'll pour in some make-up oil and find out for sure this time around.

Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: OVERKILL] #5125769 06/05/19 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'm working on a 2015 Malibu LTZ with the 2LT package that has the 2.0 LTG Engine (GTDI).

Original owner, claims she had the oil changed based on oil life monitor each time with Mobil 1 synthetic. Currently has 73,000 miles. I changed her oil and filter with Amsoil SS 5W-30 and an Amsoil Ea filter at 68,000 miles. The oil that came out at 68,000 was super black and about 3 quarts low. At 5,000 miles, her engine is about the same level low (on the dipstick) so I'm guesstimating 2-3 quarts low. But this is with Amsoil SS 5W-30.


It's not going to matter what is in the sump if the engine is allowed to routinely get that low, which sounds like is the case. She's not checking the oil, so your best bet, if you can't convince her to check it, is to just change it more frequently.


I agree, and tell her frequently to perform these checks.

Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125773 06/05/19 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by metroplex
I'm working on a 2015 Malibu LTZ with the 2LT package that has the 2.0 LTG Engine (GTDI).

Original owner, claims she had the oil changed based on oil life monitor each time with Mobil 1 synthetic. Currently has 73,000 miles. I changed her oil and filter with Amsoil SS 5W-30 and an Amsoil Ea filter at 68,000 miles. The oil that came out at 68,000 was super black and about 3 quarts low. At 5,000 miles, her engine is about the same level low (on the dipstick) so I'm guesstimating 2-3 quarts low. But this is with Amsoil SS 5W-30. When I first changed the Amsoil, the dipstick oil still looked black. Usually after a new oil change, the oil is clear/amber. There is signs of sludge/coking on the dipstick as well.

The engine runs smooth and fast, but it also seems qualitatively hot. I can't touch the dipstick unless I wait like an hour after shutting off the engine. My other GTDI engines (Ford EcoBoost) don't have this problem.

I read about piston failures due to "misfire" on the earlier ATS's with the same engine. Supposedly the Camaro has a different LTG engine.

Any ideas?

I'm thinking about going to 10W-30 or maybe a 10W-40/5W-40 oil from Amsoil, or perhaps Rotella T6 5W-40.


What did you pay for that vehicle? If not dirty-cheap, I would have passed on buying it.
When you first looked at it, you should have asked her to open the hood. I would bet she didn't know where to look inside the vehicle - plus outside the vehicle - plus didn;t know how to secure the hood from falling back down.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5125836 06/05/19 11:21 AM
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If it were me, I'd buy an inexpensive syn-blend, like Pennzoil Gold, and run several 3k OCI's to see if I could clean it out a bit, and get consumption down.

If the oil wasn't right off the dipstick, and you never got a red oil light, there probably wasn't much damage done...these engines just use oil. Keep a closer eye on it.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: ls1mike] #5126009 06/05/19 02:06 PM
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My wife has a 2011 Equinox 4 cyl, and it has the same consumption problem. it uses 1/2 a qt in about 750 miles. Doesn't matter who's oil or what weight. There's alot on it on the net about that motor and oil consumption. It boils down to bad engineering and design right from the factory. If you don't have it fixed under warranty, which they make you jump the hoops and play games with running back & forth to the dealer, to having them officially say it consumes too much oil, they act like they never heard of the problem and want you to pay to fix it. I'll never buy another GM product after this piece of junk.,,,

Your wife's engine is a 2.4 which shares nothing with the 2.0 LTG.
It shares the same oil consumption problem.,,

Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: BigCahuna] #5126123 06/05/19 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BigCahuna
My wife has a 2011 Equinox 4 cyl, and it has the same consumption problem. it uses 1/2 a qt in about 750 miles. Doesn't matter who's oil or what weight. There's alot on it on the net about that motor and oil consumption. It boils down to bad engineering and design right from the factory. If you don't have it fixed under warranty, which they make you jump the hoops and play games with running back & forth to the dealer, to having them officially say it consumes too much oil, they act like they never heard of the problem and want you to pay to fix it. I'll never buy another GM product after this piece of junk.,,,

Your wife's engine is a 2.4 which shares nothing with the 2.0 LTG.
It shares the same oil consumption problem.,,

That is not true, search the ATS/CTS/Camaro/Malibu boards
13 had a piston problem which was warrantied that did cause oil consumption.

Mine has not used a drop in 60,000 miles with 5,000 mile change intervals.

2.0 Oil consumption

2.4 oil consumption

Big Difference. The 2.0 is not an oil eater. Show me where you are seeing this.

In fact you can search each platform with the 2.0 and you come up the 3.6 and 6.2 using oil. 2 threads about a Malibu 2.0 and they are on this board and some about the 13's

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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: ls1mike] #5126629 06/06/19 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1mike
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Originally Posted by BigCahuna
My wife has a 2011 Equinox 4 cyl, and it has the same consumption problem. it uses 1/2 a qt in about 750 miles. Doesn't matter who's oil or what weight. There's alot on it on the net about that motor and oil consumption. It boils down to bad engineering and design right from the factory. If you don't have it fixed under warranty, which they make you jump the hoops and play games with running back & forth to the dealer, to having them officially say it consumes too much oil, they act like they never heard of the problem and want you to pay to fix it. I'll never buy another GM product after this piece of junk.,,,

Your wife's engine is a 2.4 which shares nothing with the 2.0 LTG.
It shares the same oil consumption problem.,,

That is not true, search the ATS/CTS/Camaro/Malibu boards
13 had a piston problem which was warrantied that did cause oil consumption.

Mine has not used a drop in 60,000 miles with 5,000 mile change intervals.

2.0 Oil consumption

2.4 oil consumption

Big Difference. The 2.0 is not an oil eater. Show me where you are seeing this.

In fact you can search each platform with the 2.0 and you come up the 3.6 and 6.2 using oil. 2 threads about a Malibu 2.0 and they are on this board and some about the 13's


Agree^ My 2.0T (LTG) doesn't burn oil either. I have used a 5k OCI since new.


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Re: GM 2.0 Turbo LTG oil consumption (2015 Malibu 2.0 LTZ) [Re: metroplex] #5129944 06/10/19 06:03 AM
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I filled it with 1 quart and it looks like it could take another 0.5 qt or so. It was definitely more on the dipstick than before, so the last oil change was definitely 2-3 quarts low.

I replaced the 2 cam cover breathers and the PCV (the one that connects directly to the turbo) but the nylon hose connecting the braided SS to the PCV shattered from being so brittle. It was not easy to change as it required some way to pry it out of the cam cover. Doing so breaks the PCV so there is no way to re-use your stock PCV. In addition, removing the nylon hose requires one of those fuel coupler tools but most are too thick to fit into the spot. But underneath that PCV was basically an exposed oil bath. There was no baffling or mesh to reduce oil vapor flow. Ford's PCV valves on the EcoBoost are almost always part of a factory oil to air separator assembly built into the cam cover.

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