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Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
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Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
LOL, do keep telling us how personal vehicles are "same" as business enterprises.
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
LOL, do keep telling us how personal vehicles are "same" as business enterprises.
Originally Posted by 4WD
Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
I think actually that is what is happening in the US. Some of the biggest investors in whatever alternative energy is, are companies like BP, Shell etc. In the end, coal power plants were not killed by regulations, but by cheap natural gas. A lot of regulations on coal plants etc. are stripped down in the last two years, yet nothing spectacular is happening there. Natural gas is more economically sound and that is where discussion end when it comes to source for these plants.
However, some countries did shoot themselves in the foot with energy policy, most notably, Germany.
Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
I think actually that is what is happening in the US. Some of the biggest investors in whatever alternative energy is, are companies like BP, Shell etc. In the end, coal power plants were not killed by regulations, but by cheap natural gas. A lot of regulations on coal plants etc. are stripped down in the last two years, yet nothing spectacular is happening there. Natural gas is more economically sound and that is where discussion end when it comes to source for these plants.
However, some countries did shoot themselves in the foot with energy policy, most notably, Germany.
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Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by 4WD
Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
I think actually that is what is happening in the US. Some of the biggest investors in whatever alternative energy is, are companies like BP, Shell etc. In the end, coal power plants were not killed by regulations, but by cheap natural gas. A lot of regulations on coal plants etc. are stripped down in the last two years, yet nothing spectacular is happening there. Natural gas is more economically sound and that is where discussion end when it comes to source for these plants.
However, some countries did shoot themselves in the foot with energy policy, most notably, Germany.
The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
Originally Posted by 4WD
Originally Posted by talest
Originally Posted by Shannow
See, that's why the"green" movement are impossible to reason with...they make stuff up and present it as fact.
They are also idiots.
Well, one comes to mind but many are not. They get drawn into agenda and narratives instead of working out a balanced solution that considers regional technical limits, demands, economic issues, etc …
I think actually that is what is happening in the US. Some of the biggest investors in whatever alternative energy is, are companies like BP, Shell etc. In the end, coal power plants were not killed by regulations, but by cheap natural gas. A lot of regulations on coal plants etc. are stripped down in the last two years, yet nothing spectacular is happening there. Natural gas is more economically sound and that is where discussion end when it comes to source for these plants.
However, some countries did shoot themselves in the foot with energy policy, most notably, Germany.
The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
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They are also involved in cogen and special projects. There are some (one 50 miles from me) where they sequester CO2 from power plants and use it for EOR projects … win-win if it works out …
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The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
Agree. All these companies are heavily involved in Socially Responsible Enterprise (SRE) strategy, which sometimes collapses dramatically (VW, BP etc.).
The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
Agree. All these companies are heavily involved in Socially Responsible Enterprise (SRE) strategy, which sometimes collapses dramatically (VW, BP etc.).
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Originally Posted by 4WD
They are also involved in cogen and special projects. There are some (one 50 miles from me) where they sequester CO2 from power plants and use it for EOR projects … win-win if it works out …
Cogen is indeed quite popular, we have it up here with large consumers and NG. CO2 sequestration only makes sense if the power used for it comes from a source that isn't CO2 emitting. Nuclear during periods of low load would be a perfect fit for example.
They are also involved in cogen and special projects. There are some (one 50 miles from me) where they sequester CO2 from power plants and use it for EOR projects … win-win if it works out …
Cogen is indeed quite popular, we have it up here with large consumers and NG. CO2 sequestration only makes sense if the power used for it comes from a source that isn't CO2 emitting. Nuclear during periods of low load would be a perfect fit for example.
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Originally Posted by edyvw
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The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
Agree. All these companies are heavily involved in Socially Responsible Enterprise (SRE) strategy, which sometimes collapses dramatically (VW, BP etc.).
This is from Shell:
https://www.energycouncil.com/articles/gas-naturally-compiments-renewables/
![[Linked Image]](http://energycouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/Gas-Naturally-Renewables-1.png "[Linked Image]")
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Gas and renewables are perfect partners to help address this energy challenge.
Renewables will continue to expand rapidly in the years to come. According to our Shell Scenarios, wind and solar could grow to supply 40% of primary energy demand by the end of the century, up from around 1% today.
But renewables are intermittent. And solutions for storing power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing are often very expensive, especially in the case of seasonal storage.
On top of this, although the growth of renewables will help lower emissions from the power sector, electricity accounts for less than one fifth of the world's total energy use today.
To further reduce emissions, the world's economy will certainly need to rely more on electricity.
Different solutions will be needed in some sectors, such as heavy-haul transport (which accounts for more than 20% of annual road transport energy demand), as well as energy-intensive industries, including steel, cement, plastics and chemical production.
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The big oil companies are promoting VRE for two reasons:
1. It makes it appear as though they care about the "green" agenda and they aren't just dirty old dinosaurs holding onto the past
2. NG is necessary to prop-up VRE, so promoting this pairing makes perfect sense.
Advocating for VRE, and then talking about how well it pairs with gas is a perfect forward-looking strategy for oil companies that are already massively invested in NG infrastructure. They get to be the "progressive" entities while ensuring their massive profits continue. This is the same reason they oppose, and always have, nuclear, because that same sort of reliance doesn't exist.
Agree. All these companies are heavily involved in Socially Responsible Enterprise (SRE) strategy, which sometimes collapses dramatically (VW, BP etc.).
This is from Shell:
https://www.energycouncil.com/articles/gas-naturally-compiments-renewables/
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*snip*
PERFECT PARTNERS
Gas and renewables are perfect partners to help address this energy challenge.
Renewables will continue to expand rapidly in the years to come. According to our Shell Scenarios, wind and solar could grow to supply 40% of primary energy demand by the end of the century, up from around 1% today.
But renewables are intermittent. And solutions for storing power when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing are often very expensive, especially in the case of seasonal storage.
On top of this, although the growth of renewables will help lower emissions from the power sector, electricity accounts for less than one fifth of the world's total energy use today.
To further reduce emissions, the world's economy will certainly need to rely more on electricity.
Different solutions will be needed in some sectors, such as heavy-haul transport (which accounts for more than 20% of annual road transport energy demand), as well as energy-intensive industries, including steel, cement, plastics and chemical production.
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Originally Posted by edyvw
LOL, do keep telling us how personal vehicles are "same" as business enterprises.
I think what he's getting at is that businesses (and utilities) have to face a moving goalpost much more often than do end consumers. End consumers often always benefit from grandfathering. Power plants sometimes do, but nowhere near what an ordinary consumer faces.
People complain enough as it is when a new technology comes out for fuel economy or emissions, with us complaining how we're beta testers and how the old regime was fine. Just think of the complaints if you were forced to retrofit GDI into an ordinary injected vehicle, or retrofit a DPF on an old 7.3 Powerstroke.
LOL, do keep telling us how personal vehicles are "same" as business enterprises.
I think what he's getting at is that businesses (and utilities) have to face a moving goalpost much more often than do end consumers. End consumers often always benefit from grandfathering. Power plants sometimes do, but nowhere near what an ordinary consumer faces.
People complain enough as it is when a new technology comes out for fuel economy or emissions, with us complaining how we're beta testers and how the old regime was fine. Just think of the complaints if you were forced to retrofit GDI into an ordinary injected vehicle, or retrofit a DPF on an old 7.3 Powerstroke.
Garak; I just received 51 rail cars of pipe from Regina.
That must have been a fun time. Here, they're happy with the settlement on tariffs, it would seem.
When you buy crude from Canada, a large portion of my share of the $$ goes to Fort Wayne.
When you buy middle east crude.........?
When you buy middle east crude.........?
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