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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124228 06/03/19 02:43 PM
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With that much to look at there should be plenty to hear also. Did it even have a filter in it?


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: OVERKILL] #5124240 06/03/19 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
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If the bearing babbitt was worn down to the copper, you WOULD be hearing a knocking.


Depends entirely on the engine. As I said, I've seen it on a 302 that didn't, it was perfectly quiet, and I know it was at the copper, I had the wrench in my hand and physically removed the bearing caps and was like "whoa". We knew it was worn because of low oil pressure, but we didn't think it was as bad as it ended up being.

I'm thinking the 20w-50 was doing a good job of masking the noise?


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: ka9mnx] #5124248 06/03/19 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ka9mnx
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If the bearing babbitt was worn down to the copper, you WOULD be hearing a knocking.


Depends entirely on the engine. As I said, I've seen it on a 302 that didn't, it was perfectly quiet, and I know it was at the copper, I had the wrench in my hand and physically removed the bearing caps and was like "whoa". We knew it was worn because of low oil pressure, but we didn't think it was as bad as it ended up being.

I'm thinking the 20w-50 was doing a good job of masking the noise?


It wasn't making noise on 10w-30 either, but the oil pressure was scary, so he went to 20w-50 to get it to 12psi, LOL grin 302 has a short stroke and pretty mild r/s angle, so that may be a contributing factor. That said, there are plenty of guys with various BMW "S" engines doing rod bearing replacements and those bearings are SCARY looking, yet the engines aren't making noise.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124255 06/03/19 03:06 PM
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Manual transmission?Thrust bearing perhaps?Any recent transmission work?

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124256 06/03/19 03:07 PM
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Also I hope you saved a bunch of that metal for further testing. I'd make sure that it's not magnetic by using a magnet, then see if the color is accurate by putting it in a cup and hitting it with some solvent like brake cleaner, swish it around (make sure it isn't a plastic cup) and drain and check if the color changed. Or just put some on a piece of paper towel and hit it with brake cleaner there.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124277 06/03/19 03:23 PM
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No low oil pressure code.

No metal picked up with magnet

Oil filter only caught a little as the filter was not coated with gold.

Car drives great through all RPM


Called PO and he said he didn't add any additives.

Guess I should keep driving it and see...

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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124287 06/03/19 03:35 PM
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Does it have a gritty feel? I agree that looks like it could be some sort of additive, it could have been installed without the PO knowledge if he had the services done.



I’d also search out a Marque specific forum like Audi World or VW Vortex and see if there are any known issues with this engine.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124294 06/03/19 03:43 PM
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Besides carbon buildup and oil consumption, nothing like what I'm experiencing

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124310 06/03/19 04:00 PM
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My vote: it's done.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: DuckRyder] #5124311 06/03/19 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DuckRyder
Does it have a gritty feel? I agree that looks like it could be some sort of additive, it could have been installed without the PO knowledge if he had the services done.



I’d also search out a Marque specific forum like Audi World or VW Vortex and see if there are any known issues with this engine.


Good question as DuckRyder ask
What does it feel like ?
Is it solid or does it feel like a thick liquid of some sort ?

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124350 06/03/19 04:42 PM
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I would think there would be other metals present in a sample if it was the bearings.


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124355 06/03/19 04:46 PM
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A few questions:

1. Is what we see in the OP the total of what settled-out from the entire drain?

2. You say the oil filter only caught a little. How do you know this? Did you cut open the filter?

You can send me the filter and I'll cut it open with a filter cutter and post the results, if you like. PM me

3. How does this stuff feel between the fingers? Gritty? Mushy?


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124363 06/03/19 04:51 PM
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I did cut open the filter

That's all after I drained it out of the drain pan. I'm sure there's more in the oil pan itself.

I'll feel it later and report back

Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124374 06/03/19 05:03 PM
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Post pictures of the filter in the oil filter forum too...


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Re: Engine done for? Some hope? [Re: TimeRS4] #5124380 06/03/19 05:05 PM
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http://www.renano.eu/

This stuff says it uses copper nano particles, but there is no photo of the product on the site.

It’s an EU-based company but lots of Audi drivers use euro spec products.


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