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Re: 0w8? [Re: ZeeOSix] #5041690
03/13/19 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by StevieC
No I mean if it called for 0w8, I'd run 0w8.


No ... we want you to run 0W-8 in an engine speced for 0W-20. Come on, you know it won't "hurt" it. grin2

I never made any claim about using a lower weight oil than was spec'ed. That's others... Not myself. If it is spec'ed for 0w8 I'll do it. Until then ask the member with the old Corolla if he will try it. Or throw it in a Honda 1.5T those are most likely running 8wt's with all their fuel diltution. grin2

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Re: 0w8? [Re: StevieC] #5041692
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by StevieC
3rd party made parts and design oversight. It happens. No OE is perfect and especially when you have tons of vehicles on the road using thousands and thousands of parts made all over the place in multiple plants.

That's ultimately the fault of the parent company using vendors to make parts ... not enough over-sight on the design, production and QA. Companies try to cut costs and it usually bites them in the arse along the way.

Every company is guilty of this. The "domestic" brands are the worst offenders if you want to point fingers.


I'm not pointing fingers ... and it happens in other industries beside car companies. Lots of over-sight and QA cost lots of money, even if someone else is doing that work.

We always used the term "better, faster, cheaper" at work. You can never have all 3 at the same time if you expect to made it in big business. Pick any two and that's what you get.

Re: 0w8? [Re: ZeeOSix] #5041721
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by StevieC
3rd party made parts and design oversight. It happens. No OE is perfect and especially when you have tons of vehicles on the road using thousands and thousands of parts made all over the place in multiple plants.

That's ultimately the fault of the parent company using vendors to make parts ... not enough over-sight on the design, production and QA. Companies try to cut costs and it usually bites them in the arse along the way.

Every company is guilty of this. The "domestic" brands are the worst offenders if you want to point fingers.


I'm not pointing fingers ... and it happens in other industries beside car companies. Lots of over-sight and QA cost lots of money, even if someone else is doing that work.

We always used the term "better, faster, cheaper" at work. You can never have all 3 at the same time if you expect to made it in big business. Pick any two and that's what you get.



There are several companies that pretty much make stuff for everyone. The names are well known

Has anyone noticed that all the steering wheels in vehicles today all look the same? Right now it’s the 3 spoke T wheel.


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Re: 0w8? [Re: ZeeOSix] #5041773
03/13/19 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeOSix
Originally Posted by StevieC
Demarpaint, it's the same argument when 20wts were first introduced over a decade ago and the 20w50 crowd here was crying... The engineers know what they are doing and no one wants their product to implode just after the warranty, especially not Toyota which sells the vehicles they do based on their reputation of reliability.


Yes, the engineers know they can cut some life out of engines to get better gas mileage (CAFE) and still make the car last long enough until someone gets bored with it and sells or trades it in. grin2

Absolutely! And then there's people like myself that run some of their vehicles until they beg to be junked. I don't care about the 3 or so ounces of fuel I might save on a tank of gas running the CAFE brew either. If I did I wouldn't own 2 Jeeps and an old van. LOL


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Re: 0w8? [Re: StevieC] #5042017
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Originally Posted by StevieC
Don't forget there is lots of Camry's running around on 0w16 now when folks here think 20wt is too thin. So if I had an engine calling for 0w8 I would have no aversion to running it.

Just a hypothetical, but I wonder what the OEMs in North America would do if fuel economy tested involved using a reference SAE 30. Would we be back to climate based charts, or would we see something like dexos1 migrate back to one viscosity only, or a minimum HTHS European style? Would we see dire warnings about viscosity disappear, including GM's long standing ane explicit warnings against 10w-40 and 20w-50? wink


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: 0w8? [Re: 1978elcamino] #5042938
03/14/19 02:26 PM
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I expect it to work about as well as that YouTube video where they ran a car with WD-40 in the crankcase. Worked fine for regular driving, though I'm not sure how long it would have held up, but the engine blew up when they started redlining it, doing burnouts, etc. This stuff should come with a warning on the bottle, for ages 65 and up only, do not exceed 3,000 rpms!


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Re: 0w8? [Re: 1978elcamino] #5123746
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In 2017 from: https://noln.net/2017/06/30/skinny-ow-16-oil/

"0W-16 oil was introduced in Japan before 2000. 0W-16 showed higher fuel economy than 0W-20 engine oil. It will also give you remarkable quick engine starts at cold temperatures. There are several concerns [about 0W-16 oils] due to their lower viscosity, like increased wear, increased oil consumption and lower oil pressure. But our long history [with 0W-16] has addressed these concerns. The 0W- 16 project is just the beginning of what JXTG Nippon Oil is striving to do to offset carbon footprints. Actually, we are currently working on an 0W-8 oil."


This has been brought up multiple times, but a thousandth of a percentage on 78 million auto's in Japan is measurable. Its all about carbon footprint. Therefore Govt's are going to push OEM's to harvest those efficiencies in their engineering. They don't care if an engine lasts 100k miles or 300k miles.

I seriously doubt we are going to see any 300k engines on 0w8 oil.



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Re: 0w8? [Re: 1978elcamino] #5124113
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In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

Re: 0w8? [Re: DoubleNickels] #5124118
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Originally Posted by DoubleNickels
In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

There's a reason for that, do you know what it is?


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Re: 0w8? [Re: kschachn] #5124139
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by DoubleNickels
In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

There's a reason for that, do you know what it is?



Its because they have been using 0w8 since the 2000's probably.


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Re: 0w8? [Re: 1978elcamino] #5124250
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Originally Posted by 1978elcamino
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by DoubleNickels
In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

There's a reason for that, do you know what it is?



Its because they have been using 0w8 since the 2000's probably.




Guessing is not an option.


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Re: 0w8? [Re: kschachn] #5124299
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Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by DoubleNickels
In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

There's a reason for that, do you know what it is?


Yes I lived in Japan for three years the truth is over 60% of them don't own a car they use public transportation or own a motorcycle.


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Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by DoubleNickels
In Japan, people do not own cars for decades like Americans.

There's a reason for that, do you know what it is?


Yes I lived in Japan for three years the truth is over 60% of them don't own a car they use public transportation or own a motorcycle.



It might even be more than that. Public transportation is everywhere. There are many stations that average in the millions of passengers per day.

Regulations and taxes make car ownership expensive.


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Re: 0w8? [Re: 1978elcamino] #5124392
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Japan, just like Manhattan & Hong Kong, has no parking. Whatever the taxes and inspection fees are, there are a lot of people who can afford to pay. The most difficult part is having a place to park your car. Get you name on the waiting list, and it could take years before it's your turn to rent a parking space. You have to wait for people to decide that they no long want the privilege of the parking space to vacate it. Next problem is that when you get to where you are going, will there be a parking space there? Easy to drive a few miles to go somewhere. Impossible to find parking when you get there. With vehicles depreciating, you find yourself paying more rent to park the car, than the car is worth.

Re: 0w8? [Re: aquariuscsm] #5124856
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Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
0W8 is way too thick,it will cause rampant startup wear. This is what we need:

https://www.pacificcustoms.com/lat20478-1G.html



When are we going in the negatives? LOL


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