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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: Danno] #5122747
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Originally Posted by Danno
Daily rentals have to be disclosed to prospective buyers.


That law will vary from State to State, but in general yes. CarMax got sued several years back in Maryland for failing to disclose prior rental car history. This usually applies to taxi and police service vehicles also. But you shouldn't be buying a used car without pulling the Carfax anyhow. Most reputable used car dealers/brokers will have that done already.

Fwiw, the average car spends about 13 months in a rental agencies inventory (just looked it up), so many rental vehicles still have a good chunk of their warranty left. So the rental agency takes the hit on pricing and you [can] get a decent "new" car at a used car price with a lot of warranty left.

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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: spasm3] #5122787
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Originally Posted by spasm3
I've owned at least 3-4 rental cars . Avis, National, Hertz all used to sell at the PTI airport. I've owned an olds Calais, Cutlass ciera, grand am, and a 2001 Ford escape.

I bought them all under 30k miles and drove them over 150k without issue. Usually any recalls were taken care of before I got the car.

Now not many rental companies sell, maybe Enterprise. At one time dealers in had a deal to buy back rentals and sell the rentals and that's when most stopped having a car sales lot.

Some of you might have bought a rental car from a dealer and unot known it was a rental. I think they called them program cars. Some were lease turn-ins, some were rental cars.

I have not looked at rentals in years so I don't know what mileages they run up before selling.

I don't think the deals are there like they used to be.



Yes, Enterprise still sells their rental cars



Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: 53' Stude] #5122840
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"Yes, Enterprise still sells their rental cars"

At least in HQ St Louis, Enterprise gets a LOT more money for cars than Hertz does, and has many more retail outlets.

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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5123065
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Originally Posted by WhyMe
Originally Posted by Rand
are you buying a used rental car?

nope. i am looking at new Hyundai sedans, and am concerned that since so many are used in rental fleets might affect the resale value


Why don't you go on Enertrprise, Avis, etc., used car sites and check the selling price of what they are asking and then look at the Kelley Blue Book site and that will give you a definitive answer about how close the rental car companies to KBB's suggested sell prices?

Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: dishdude] #5123066
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Originally Posted by dishdude
Hyundais and sedans have poor resale overall so why not look at a used one?



Perpetuated internet myth......

Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5123845
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If rental/fleet use did not mean anything, they would not be listed on the CarFax or other vehicle reporting services. It means something to most informed consumers buying a vehicle.


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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5123868
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Of course it does. Would you pay the same money for an ex-rental vs the exact same model owned by one and mature owner?

I would imagine most would not.


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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5123923
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I would never consider a rental car purchase simply because they are often abused, not always maintained and are not optioned like I prefer. I also never base resale value on what I buy - I don't care, I want what I want and I keep them a long time.

Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: GMBoy] #5124053
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Originally Posted by GMBoy
I would never consider a rental car purchase simply because they are often abused, not always maintained and are not optioned like I prefer. I also never base resale value on what I buy - I don't care, I want what I want and I keep them a long time.


Buying used from a private party doesn't necessarily offer any more assurances or guarantees that the vehicle wasn't abused. In a used car purchase, I've never had someone save me the time by coming right out and saying, "Oh yeah I've spent the last 5yrs beating up the suspension/drivetrain and never really changed any fluids until I decided to sell the car...see how clean the coolant and oil looks!"😂

No matter who or where you're buying the vehicle from, the same rule applies - caveat emptor.

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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5124074
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I may or may not have seen a few enterprise cars on the track.

I may or may not have participated in said events.

Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5124166
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I've never bought a rental, I have purchased previous fleet vehicles though. My 2005 Ranger 2.3L was a prior auto parts store base model XL, single cab. I got it with 60k miles or so? Now it sits at over 250k and my parents still use it.
The Ram in my sig? Former Plumbers truck. Bought with 15k miles. Has zero issues thus far 🤞


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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: GumbyJarvis] #5124633
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Originally Posted by GumbyJarvis
I've never bought a rental, I have purchased previous fleet vehicles though. My 2005 Ranger 2.3L was a prior auto parts store base model XL, single cab. I got it with 60k miles or so? Now it sits at over 250k and my parents still use it.
The Ram in my sig? Former Plumbers truck. Bought with 15k miles. Has zero issues thus far 🤞


Sounds like you scored a couple of gems. It's a good feeling knowing someone besides you, took the new price hit - eh?😉 I've bought some used gems (a Toyota Camry) and unfortunately, I've picked up a lemon or two in my time (don't ask me about the time I picked up a Ford Tempo I thought I was getting for a "steal", boy I'd like to take a mulligan on that one 😠)

Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: Hootbro] #5124745
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Originally Posted by Hootbro
If rental/fleet use did not mean anything, they would not be listed on the CarFax or other vehicle reporting services. It means something to most informed consumers buying a vehicle.



Correct. I've bought 2 vehicles that were former likely fleet use.


-The first was a JGC 2010 QD2 HEMI. It was a POS and fell apart. Stuff you can't "abuse into failure". I think it was just a Chrysler was the issue.

-The second was a Mazda CX5. The only thing that broke on it in over 100K miles that wasn't environmental (damage from road material, flooded the rear diff crossing a stream that flooded once, etc.) was 1 headlight at roughly 90K miles, brake rotors began warping at 50K miles and were replaced in "poor" shape at 95K when I did brakes. The valve-cover gasket had a VERY slight general "weep" which was more like residue vs. anything I'd call "a leak". At 106K miles the FPR and HPFP in-tank went [censored] up. The vehicle was nearly deadlined by this, but still capable of movement and conveyed me to work and then to the dealership.

I am not averse to buying a program/fleet vehicle, based on these two very limited experiences. I know people who maintain vehicles FAR WORSE than fleet use, and drive them like tanks. Friend of mine loved hopping curbs in his 370Z and changed the oil never. Had like 18K miles on it when he traded it on a BMW that he treated similarly. I think it had OEM oil in it. Had a little old lady trade her Ford Focus in once at the dealer I worked for. OEM filter. OEM oil. Like pudding. Had another woman with one of the new retro T-birds (back when they just came out) put 32K miles on it and engine seized up and it died like a dog. Never an oil change or top-off. I watched the GM's son abuse the [censored] out of a chipped and tuned Ford F150 Lightning to the point that he took 10/32 tires and turned them into 6/32" tread tires in a weekend...as well as bending a rod and trashing the shortblock. Ive seen so much [censored] go down at a dealership that program car means nothing to me. [censored], I used to live in a town where GM had a plant, and they delivered the new vehicles to the rail-yard about 2 mi away. They redlined that [censored] the whole way and slid sideways into the rail lot. Obviously 0-mile vehicles.

Your car wasn't treated half as well as you fantasize that it was, likely, even if you buy it with 3mi on the ODO.

Buy known good brand and model vehicles and you'll have the best experiences, regardless of their past lives, more often than not. For example, a program Camry is going to far outlast a new Chrysler 200.

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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: WhyMe] #5124756
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I look at it this way. I have to rent vehicles fairly often and I can't remember having one with a mechanical issue, even on some month-long rentals. The average rental car is maintained far better than the average individual's car. Sure, you can find cars that have been maintained by a BITOG inmate, but they are like hens teeth. More typical is the used car that is being sold because something is already wrong with it or it is getting old and dirty. I think it is a myth that all rental cars are abused. Most of us that do it are extra careful because we want to avoid any insurance issues.

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Re: Does a vehicle percieved to be a rental car lower it's resale [Re: AuthorEditor] #5124775
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Originally Posted by AuthorEditor
I look at it this way. I have to rent vehicles fairly often and I can't remember having one with a mechanical issue, even on some month-long rentals. The average rental car is maintained far better than the average individual's car. Sure, you can find cars that have been maintained by a BITOG inmate, but they are like hens teeth. More typical is the used car that is being sold because something is already wrong with it or it is getting old and dirty. I think it is a myth that all rental cars are abused. Most of us that do it are extra careful because we want to avoid any insurance issues.



When I was younger I worked at a pest control company. The company owners were phasing out the fleet (abt 30) of older Ford Rangers and going with the newer 2nd Gen Rangers. The company had a full time service mgr who maintained them meticulously. The company offered them to employees for something like a thousand bucks. (I'm sure they had long since been written off for taxes)...it was a total steal because these things mechanically speaking, were in great shape. Sure they had dents and dings but I wasn't looking for a truck for date night, I just needed something to haul the occasional load of dirt and make dump runs.

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