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Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? #5123676
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My 2017 Sonata has a 6 speed transmission calling for SP4-M , unfortunately both Hyunda and Kia want over $20 per qrt. for it ... *I believe I can run Maxlife Multi Vehicle ATF (if upgraded to meet SP4-M) or I can use Redline D6 (not sure of the price) - any other SP4-M compatible ATF's you have used with good results in place of the OEM SP4-M ?


'17 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L GDI 5W30 Valvoline Advanced Syn / Fram Ultra
'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 QSUD / Fram Ultra
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 M1 EP HM / Fram Ultra
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123680
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Ive had excellent results with this fluid thumbsup

Schaeffer All-Trans https://www.schaefferoil.com/documents/90-204SAT-td.pdf


1998 Dodge Neon-Rebuilt 2.4L-Schaeffer 10w-30
2014 Dodge Durango 3.6, 66K- Schaeffer 10w-30
2002 Ram 2500 Cummins 125K- Schaeffer 5w-40
2008 Dodge Avenger 232K Schaeffer 10w-30
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123687
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From what I've read, Hyundai/Kia is not like the other auto makers when your engine or transmission goes kapluey under warranty.
They want absolute proof you properly maintained your vehicle according to the owners manual or your screwed. Spend time on Ripoff Report.com if you think otherwise.

I don't care much for Amsoil, but if I wasn't under warranty, I'd use it in this application.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-prod...-synthetic-automatic-transmission-fluid/


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
Me: 13' VW GTI 3 door 6 speed manual

Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: Diesel12] #5123694
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Originally Posted by Diesel12
Ive had excellent results with this fluid thumbsup

Schaeffer All-Trans https://www.schaefferoil.com/documents/90-204SAT-td.pdf

This is NOT the correct fluid for SP-IV M.

If you want to run Schaeffer's trans fluid, the correct fluid to run their Dexron VI/Mercon ATF #205A.

Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123697
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OP: I'm not sure how picky Hyundai's are when it comes to trans fluid. All the dealers around here use BG ATF, unless OEM is requested by the customer. Historically, Hyundai/Kia ATF hasn't been a very good product, although now it apparently is quite stout.

Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123715
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Maxlife and castrols Synthetic LV trans fluid work fin e in Hyundais.

https://sharena21.springcm.com/Publ...bd3/3fa3136a-09bd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1


yup
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123727
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There's been lots of buzz about SP4-M lately due to the apparent price hike of the OEM products. In my area, 6 local dealers (Jeep,Kia, Hyundai) use what JustN89 stated (BG) even on vehicles still under warranty . This goes against what skyactive claims about dealers insisting by-the-book OEM fluids only.

To the OP, dig around a bit and you will find about a dozen products that list "compatible with" SP4-M. Even the Warren MAG 1 product claims SP4-M compatibility. What's odd is that the Asian and European brands (Eneos, etc,) have not changed their labeling from SP4 to SP4-M. Something I "imagined" that I read somewhere was that the U.S. version initially came out as a synthetic blend and the M version is now full synthetic, just like the Asian and European brands have always been. Just my thought that I wish someone would try to disprove.

Battles rage on Hyundai and Kia forums that their trannies are especially sensitive to fluid and the use of a universal product is hotly contested. LOTS of evidence shows up at BITOG to suggest people are getting very long life using non OEM fluids.


Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123735
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FWIW: In talking to the Kia tech who replaced my engine this past December (under warranty for the "Rod knock of death"), the transmissions are seen as very reliable and also pretty inexpensive (as far as transmissions go) to replace (~$1.5K). Thought that was very interesting if universally true (not just this dealership's service departments experience).


Last edited by WhizkidTN; 06/03/19 07:31 AM.

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>EDGE 0W-20, Fram XG6607
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123831
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*I believe that even if my 2017 Sonata is under warrantee - as long as the Maxlife all vehicle ATF states suitable for SP4-M on the container - then you should be covered with Hyundai ... Otherwise you threaten them with the " Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act" which essentially states that if Hyundai only states their SP4-M ATF be used , then Hyundai has to supply it for FREE !!


'17 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L GDI 5W30 Valvoline Advanced Syn / Fram Ultra
'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 QSUD / Fram Ultra
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 M1 EP HM / Fram Ultra
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123846
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I'm out of power train warranty with a used car purchase but when I change it will be Max Life.


2017 Kia Soul Plus-- Super Tech Synthetic 5w30 59000 miles
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5123892
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Maxlife will work fine smile

Another good choice is Castrol Full Synthetic ATF, when it goes on sale for $5/qt

Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: JustN89] #5123902
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Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Diesel12
Ive had excellent results with this fluid thumbsup

Schaeffer All-Trans https://www.schaefferoil.com/documents/90-204SAT-td.pdf

This is NOT the correct fluid for SP-IV M.

If you want to run Schaeffer's trans fluid, the correct fluid to run their Dexron VI/Mercon ATF #205A.


Im sorry i seen the spec right on the list? But to your answer it does show the smae spec for the LV Trans fluid.

Hyundai/Kia/Mitsubishi SP II, SP
III, SP IV, J2, SPH-IV, SP-IV-RR,
NWS-968, Kia Red-1


1998 Dodge Neon-Rebuilt 2.4L-Schaeffer 10w-30
2014 Dodge Durango 3.6, 66K- Schaeffer 10w-30
2002 Ram 2500 Cummins 125K- Schaeffer 5w-40
2008 Dodge Avenger 232K Schaeffer 10w-30
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: Diesel12] #5123920
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Originally Posted by Diesel12
Originally Posted by JustN89
Originally Posted by Diesel12
Ive had excellent results with this fluid thumbsup

Schaeffer All-Trans https://www.schaefferoil.com/documents/90-204SAT-td.pdf

This is NOT the correct fluid for SP-IV M.

If you want to run Schaeffer's trans fluid, the correct fluid to run their Dexron VI/Mercon ATF #205A.


Im sorry i seen the spec right on the list? But to your answer it does show the smae spec for the LV Trans fluid.

Hyundai/Kia/Mitsubishi SP II, SP
III, SP IV, J2, SPH-IV, SP-IV-RR,
NWS-968, Kia Red-1

The #204SAT is not the low-viscosity fluid that Hyundai calls for- that would be the #205A. Schaeffer's has it mislabeled. I sent their customer service an e-mail and asked which one to run and they confirmed that it would be #205A. Attached is the e-mail below. I doubt it matters, but I blocked her last name out just for privacy reasons.

Schaeffer.jpg
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: doitmyself] #5123933
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Originally Posted by doitmyself
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Battles rage on Hyundai and Kia forums that their trannies are especially sensitive to fluid and the use of a universal product is hotly contested. LOTS of evidence shows up at BITOG to suggest people are getting very long life using non OEM fluids.


Yeah. Back with the SP-III fluids, those transmissions were very picky on fluid, and were basically OEM fluid only.

When they went to SP-IV and now SP-IV-M, that fluid is basically Dex VI/Toyota WS spec.

Maxlife ATF is my fluid of choice for my fleet for the foreseeable future (Merc V, Toyota WS, SP-IV, Dex VI).


2018 Santa Fe: PP 10W-30/OEM/5k
2018 Soul: Dealer? 5w-20/OEM/5k
2012 xB: M1 EP 0W-20/CQ Blue/5k
2002 F150: Magnatec 5W-20/Bosch D+/1yr
1994 VT1100: Peak 15W-40/Bosch D+/1yr
Re: Hyunda SP4-M Compatible ATF ? [Re: ChrisD46] #5124841
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If OEM Hyundai SP4-M is now the full synthetic version then it stands to reason that Maxlife All Vehicle ATF (full synthetic) or the Castrol All Vehicle ATF (also full synthetic) claiming SP4-M compatibility would also be just as good ? Currently , the OEM Hyundai SP4-M ATF is over $20 per quart (ouch) . *When Maxlife ATF is $18 per gallon and Hyundai OEM is $80 per gallon - that is a significant cost difference to consider !


'17 Hyundai Sonata 2.4L GDI 5W30 Valvoline Advanced Syn / Fram Ultra
'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 QSUD / Fram Ultra
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 M1 EP HM / Fram Ultra
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