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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122714
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Just use MaxLife and stop wasting your time.

Here is what I paid last time at Canadian WM:

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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122724
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Maxlife has worked like a charm in our SFS.


2018 KIA Sportage LX 2.4 AWD:
Now: QSAD 5W-20, PH9688
Next: ST Syn 5W-30, ST9688

2013 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport 2.0T:
Now: STP HM 5W-30, S2808XL
Next: ST Syn 5W-30, ST9688
Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122761
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Thanks for the replies - I have a WM and NAPA close by so the Max Life (WM) or the Eneos (NAPA) will hopefully take care of the Kia SP-III ATF needs.


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'10 Hyundai Elantra 2.0L 5W30 QSUD / Fram Ultra
'07 Kia Sedona 3.8L 5W30 M1 EP HM / Fram Ultra
Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122789
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Maxlife covers Hyundai/Kia fluids back to SP-II and appears to cover all the current fluid specs.

PDS on Website.

https://www.valvoline.com/our-products/automatic-transmission-products/maxlife-multi-vehicle-atf


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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122805
06/02/19 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Boy , last year when I did a drain & fill I bought Kia SP-III ATF for my '07 Sedona it was approx. $7.00 per quart ... Today when I went to buy at the dealer it had jumped up to $15.49 per quart for SP-III (SP-IV was $20) !! The tech just said : "Yeah , the prices jumped up a few months ago ..." . That's outrageous for SP-III or SP-IV !!... First , I need to find a good aftermarket SP-III ATF that is safe to use meeting SP-III , then find the same as a SP-IV replacement !! ... *I bought Kia SP-III because they were less expensive than Hyundai SP-III - Geeze I wonder what Hyundai now charges for SP-III ?



Why buy sub-standard older OEM superseded AFT when a superior OEM brew is available if you feel OEM is what you want? All my Hyundai's get Redline D6 or Amsoil SS trans oil. Since I service it myself the cost difference from OEM is almost nothing for going a top grade oil.

At 2,000 miles I dumped all my fluids and switched them out to Redline products. Redline is one of the very few that has OEM speced DCT(dual clutch) LV trans fluid for our Hyundai DCT's. I wanted to flush everything. Just a heads up to to you AWD Hyundai owners, don't forget to change out your rear diff oil, since that is where all your AWD clutch packs are is a thimble amount of oil (just a tad over 1/2 Quart). I dumped mine on my new Hyundai at 2,000 miles and it was dirty with break-in clutch material. I suggested 8,000 miles to others on the the forums,( I have now revised that to dumping @ 5,000 miles) and one guy brought it in to the dealer to change the rear diff fluid, and the service manager told him they were VERY surprised how dirty it was at 8,000 miles since they have never dumped it so early. The service manager said he is going to suggest Hyundai doing an early dump as part of proper maintenance on a new Hyundai's when he goes to his regional meetings. He said even the mechanic that dumped it was surprised how dirty it was. This is true for my wife's Rav4. Thats how I caught this issue. Same to be true on most rear diff clutch engaging AWDs.

I did another dump at 7,000 miles and it was dirty but not as near as bad. It is the initial high amount of break-in material that really makes it a must to get that abrasive oil out of there. My transfer case oil was clean at the 2,000 mile mark, that is why I did not change it out again. Also remember, on a Hyundai DCT your trans fluid is also your front diff fluid since the gearbox and the diff oil chambers are connected. Below is the fill level on most DCT Hyundai's.

https://www.hyundaikonaforum.com/fo...id-full-level-outflow-port-location.html

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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122843
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Dealerships gouge, because they can.


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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: ChrisD46] #5122849
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I have done a drain and fill every 1.5 years aprox.. I always use sp-III because its still under warranty.. and hyundai well is known for being terrible about warrantying transmissions with aftermarket fluids.


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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: Rand] #5122859
06/02/19 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rand
I have done a drain and fill every 1.5 years aprox.. I always use sp-III because its still under warranty.. and hyundai well is known for being terrible about warrantying transmissions with aftermarket fluids.


First off Hyundai WANTS you to use SP-lV-M because it is a better ATF that superseded the sp-3

By USA law Hyundai can't deny warranty as long as the fluid you put in has been speced by the oil manufacture to be compatible with their oil spec.

I had a Fram Ultra on a Hyundai Elantra that had the Hyundai Tick of Death at 14,000 miles and they questioned that they had to test it with theirs and they don't advise me to use the Fram Ultra. I said the Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act states I have the legal right to run that filter. They did not say a word after that. It received a new long block after approval. And believe me, they stated to corporate I had an Ultra on it. Hyundai is terrible about warranting anything that cost them money. You ALWAYS have to be ready for a fight with Hyundai if it is big ticket.

I have relitives at both the largest Minnesota Audi and Lexus dealerships, both say they never check oil for warranty. All they do is check if it is full, check if it is AFT or gear oil in the engine oil and if all is well they warranty it. Both have worked there 10 plus years. Not a single sending of an oil analysis. Too many forum dogma warranty and go by the manual types drum up fake news on how dealership work with warranty issues. We hear techs from all different states and makes say the same thing. As long as it is not ATF or gear oil in the engine oil and it is not more then 1Qt down, you get the warranty.

Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: dubber09] #5122894
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Originally Posted by dubber09
Just use MaxLife and stop wasting your time.

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I'd be leery of using any universal fluid in any car I cared about. The label says it's good in Dexron VI applications so by that reasoning, why not use even cheaper Dexron VI in a KIA?

Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: Saul] #5122912
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Originally Posted by Propflux01
Are you buying the older SP-lV or SP-lV-M?

I was wondering if they were selling the SP3 and 4 at higher prices because they essentially do not make it anymore, as it has been superseded by SP-lV-M

*This thread is about SP-III ATF .... I'll start a new thread on SP-IV (Kia / Hyundai want $20 plus a quart for that !


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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: atikovi] #5122946
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Originally Posted by atikovi
Originally Posted by dubber09
Just use MaxLife and stop wasting your time.

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I'd be leery of using any universal fluid in any car I cared about. The label says it's good in Dexron VI applications so by that reasoning, why not use even cheaper Dexron VI in a KIA?



Of course your worried you don't understand the coefficients of friction between these transmissions is nearly identical. I guess because some companies recommend using Quaker State you do not want to use Mobil.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: Mainia] #5122952
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Originally Posted by Mainia
Originally Posted by Rand
I have done a drain and fill every 1.5 years aprox.. I always use sp-III because its still under warranty.. and hyundai well is known for being terrible about warrantying transmissions with aftermarket fluids.


First off Hyundai WANTS you to use SP-lV-M because it is a better ATF that superseded the sp-3

By USA law Hyundai can't deny warranty as long as the fluid you put in has been speced by the oil manufacture to be compatible with their oil spec.

I had a Fram Ultra on a Hyundai Elantra that had the Hyundai Tick of Death at 14,000 miles and they questioned that they had to test it with theirs and they don't advise me to use the Fram Ultra. I said the Magnusen-Moss Warranty Act states I have the legal right to run that filter. They did not say a word after that. It received a new long block after approval. And believe me, they stated to corporate I had an Ultra on it. Hyundai is terrible about warranting anything that cost them money. You ALWAYS have to be ready for a fight with Hyundai if it is big ticket.

I have relitives at both the largest Minnesota Audi and Lexus dealerships, both say they never check oil for warranty. All they do is check if it is full, check if it is AFT or gear oil in the engine oil and if all is well they warranty it. Both have worked there 10 plus years. Not a single sending of an oil analysis. Too many forum dogma warranty and go by the manual types drum up fake news on how dealership work with warranty issues. We hear techs from all different states and makes say the same thing. As long as it is not ATF or gear oil in the engine oil and it is not more then 1Qt down, you get the warranty.



Your assessment is spot on and I doubt every story of dealerships denying warranty. This is for two reasons dealerships don't deny warranty and if the customer takes their vehicle somewhere else this is money lost.


make the inside of your engine oil cap white.
don't use.
Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: Mainia] #5123169
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Originally Posted by Mainia
First off Hyundai WANTS you to use SP-lV-M because it is a better ATF that superseded the sp-3. By USA law Hyundai can't deny warranty as long as the fluid you put in has been speced by the oil manufacture to be compatible with their oil spec.

SP-IV / SP-IV M does NOT supercede SPIII, so if anyone here follows your advice, Hyundai will deny warranty according to you?

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/1068477/22956303/1371787260727/SP4-M+Promo-Sell+Sheet-FINAL.pdf?token=bqGKjUna26HDfqzwdzgCdpPJIG0%3D

TSB 12-AT-006-2 - ATF usage

Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: doitmyself] #5123370
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Originally Posted by doitmyself
Originally Posted by Mainia
First off Hyundai WANTS you to use SP-lV-M because it is a better ATF that superseded the sp-3. By USA law Hyundai can't deny warranty as long as the fluid you put in has been speced by the oil manufacture to be compatible with their oil spec.

SP-IV / SP-IV M does NOT supercede SPIII, so if anyone here follows your advice, Hyundai will deny warranty according to you?

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/1068477/22956303/1371787260727/SP4-M+Promo-Sell+Sheet-FINAL.pdf?token=bqGKjUna26HDfqzwdzgCdpPJIG0%3D

TSB 12-AT-006-2 - ATF usage


Sorry, but Hyundai released a PDF concerning the SP4-M when they released it a few years back and THEY say it replaces the older fluids (SP-III, etc.).


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Re: Hyundai / Kia ATF - Huge Price Increase ! [Re: WhizkidTN] #5123462
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Originally Posted by WhizkidTN
Sorry, but Hyundai released a PDF concerning the SP4-M when they released it a few years back and THEY say it replaces the older fluids (SP-III, etc.).


Hyundai introduced SP4-M in June 2013 with no mention of it being backwards compatible: http://www.hyundaiflashdrive.com/ho...-iv-discontinued-introducing-new-at.html

In this 2015 TSB, they state that SP4-M in not interchangeable with SP-III: https://testing-public.carmd.com/Tsb/Download/106597/5002779 ... "SP4-M supersedes SPH-IV. SP-III, SP4-M and SPH-IV-RR are not interchangeable."

What TSB shows that the SP4-M supercedes SP-III?

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