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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: JeffKeryk] #5121253 05/31/19 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Don't know nuthin' about little mouses or camels.
Half the time I don't know what you guys are talking about, but it sure sounds cool!


Jeff… are you seeing growth in mobile EV charging trucks ?

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The proverbial mouse is the battery electric vehicle. The bridge is the electrical network and society.

When that mouse becomes a herd of elephants, there are going to be some very big cracks that are going to form in that bridge, and a very large bill to pay.

Economics killed the supersonic transport. It even killed the high-speed subsonic transport. It's even made are aircraft about as slow as aircraft were in the 1960s. In some cases slower. We're also flying some of the same aircraft that were penned in the 1960s.

In any type of romance, via technological or otherwise, a large bill is often a sobering event that tends to pop that bubble.

but again, please do not mistake this for an assassination of the electric vehicle. I still think that it is a very valid, preferred, and useful technology for a wide range of the population. That can only be disputed by the most die-hard Luddite.

It's reach simply isn't as far as some people have made it out to be.

For Jeff and the other who have purchased a battery electric vehicle, I believe that they have in fact made an informed decision with benefits both tangible and intangible. There is no naivete or ignorance in the decision to purchase a battery electric vehicle. And of course this is still the United States where a citizen is guaranteed the right to make whatever purchase they desire and justify and explain it to absolutely nobody at all.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5121501 05/31/19 04:31 PM
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Why did we buy a Tesla? Lotsa reasons.
Let me say, first off, I am a fiscal conservative. Real conservative.
I am a recovering alcoholic who was down and out. Needed $2 for my next 6 pack.
Well, that was 32 years ago; now thanks to A.A. CA great education, Silicon Valley opportunity and my desperation things have changed.

I drove old Hondas and Toyota pickups.
I would never thought of spending real money on a car, well except for my Corvette addiction.
Our Model 3 was like $63K out the door. That's a lot.

The car is a flat out blast to drive. Seriously.
I wanted to go green; I already purchased the solar panels.
I wanted to get something special for my wife.

At this point in my life, I am interested in doing what I want.
#1 is making sure Sue has everything she needs if I die. By the way, she has more than me.
#2 is helping family, friends and those in need. Especially with education as that saved my ....
You know what Silicon Valley houses cost. We have 3 and they are all paid for.
My stock options and investments have paid off beyond my wildest expectations.

You can buy 3 ultra low emissions Civics for 1 Tesla Mid Range; the Model 3 ain't no bargain.
It is a toy.

That's my 2 cents; your results may vary.
Here is the Model 3 disguised as a 1968 L36 Roadster...
By the way you won't find paint like this on any Porsche, etc. It is fantastic. Probably more than $20K today. Every panel was reworked or replaced.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5121552 05/31/19 05:20 PM
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Took delivery today. Love it

I think the writing is on the wall that BEVs are the future and will be here to stay. Massive investments from all concerned parties are happening now and in the pipeline. It will take time, as all things regarding transportation changes take time, but the ball is already rolling down hill and, at this point, it is unstoppable (IMO).

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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5121585 05/31/19 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Took delivery today. Love it

I think the writing is on the wall that BEVs are the future and will be here to stay. Massive investments from all concerned parties are happening now and in the pipeline. It will take time, as all things regarding transportation changes take time, but the ball is already rolling down hill and, at this point, it is unstoppable (IMO).

Enjoy your beautiful Model 3!
You will love it, and just when you think you know it, bang! Another OTA update!

I am thinking about another one... Stop me!


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: JeffKeryk] #5122425 06/01/19 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Enjoy your beautiful Model 3!
You will love it, and just when you think you know it, bang! Another OTA update!

I am thinking about another one... Stop me!


The car still feels surreal at this point. It’s so unlike other cars out there. It just flat out works. Very utilitarian, but fast and nimble at the same time.

I’m holding out for the FSD feature to see if it’s worth $6k upgrade. Did you shell out for FSD at purchase?


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5122542 06/01/19 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Took delivery today. Love it

I think the writing is on the wall that BEVs are the future and will be here to stay. Massive investments from all concerned parties are happening now and in the pipeline. It will take time, as all things regarding transportation changes take time, but the ball is already rolling down hill and, at this point, it is unstoppable (IMO).



You are going to have a VERY HARD TIME convincing most on here of that. I mean C'mon-the Crown Vic is revered......

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Originally Posted by 1JZ_E46
Took delivery today. Love it

I think the writing is on the wall that BEVs are the future and will be here to stay. Massive investments from all concerned parties are happening now and in the pipeline. It will take time, as all things regarding transportation changes take time, but the ball is already rolling down hill and, at this point, it is unstoppable (IMO).


BEVs have been the future for the past fifty years or so, just as they were considered state of the art in the early days of the automobile.
The future in which they're widely adopted once again seems to keep receding.
One now sees a pretty regular number of Tesla cars on the road even here in flyover country, but one sees a pretty regular number of smarts as well.
Tesla appears to have hit the wall on sales volume so it may be all bad from here.
I can understand the enthusiasm among those who've bought one, but this appears to be the taste of no more than a small fraction of those in the market for a car ATM.
I'll add that I've never bought a new car that didn't seem wonderful and we've bought a number of them over the years.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5122641 06/01/19 09:09 PM
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Something random...stopped to get diesel fuel in Baker, CA (while heading North on the 15) at a Shell station and next to it was a huge 6 lane or so Telsa charging station. 2 or 3 were hooked up...how long does it take to charge? Great thread...sorry to intrude.


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Re: Tesla Model 3 Owners Only - Thoughts? [Re: 1JZ_E46] #5122648 06/01/19 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
Enjoy your beautiful Model 3!
You will love it, and just when you think you know it, bang! Another OTA update!

I am thinking about another one... Stop me!


The car still feels surreal at this point. It’s so unlike other cars out there. It just flat out works. Very utilitarian, but fast and nimble at the same time.

I’m holding out for the FSD feature to see if it’s worth $6k upgrade. Did you shell out for FSD at purchase?

Yes, we have the FSD.
The Model 3 is amazing. The interior is kinda Japanese; minimalist, genius.

Did you know Q2 is expected to be a record for deliveries?
Fremont is hiring like crazy; they can't make 'em fast enough.

We stopped in Menlo Park for coffee last Saturday; more Super Chargers being installed.

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BEV is perceived as unstoppable for the same reason a "hot stock" is seem as unstoppable, or a Ponzi scheme, or a cult, or a pyramid scheme.

It keeps going up. It's not going to stop.





Sure.

Do enough research, and you can take your pick which it resembles most closely.


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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
BEV is perceived as unstoppable for the same reason a "hot stock" is seem as unstoppable, or a Ponzi scheme, or a cult, or a pyramid scheme.

It keeps going up. It's not going to stop.

Sure.

Do enough research, and you can take your pick which it resembles most closely.


Bitter much? Show me where the BEV hurt you...

All joking aside, BEVs will continue to gain market share as the country urbanizes. People are moving out of rural areas and into the cities. It’s also a generational thing as is the case with any new technology. Sometimes technology can only move as fast as people age... humans generally are adverse to change.


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The country is urbanizing?
Maybe in parts of Oregon like Portland, but for most of us, the first thing young people with two pennies to rub together do after marrying when planning children is move to the 'burbs.
De-urbanization has been the trend for around seventy years now which is also the reason that the cores of so many older cities have rotted away.
There is also nothing new about BEVs, although the batteries Panasonic supplies Tesla are far more energy dense than were the batteries available even recently for cars like the GM EV-1.
Remember that car?
Generational?
Look again at the buyer demographic for Tesla cars.
Younger people generally don't have the bucks to buy or lease one while older buyers do, as is true for all higher buck offerings whether cars, housing or vacations.


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Originally Posted by DoubleWasp
BEV is perceived as unstoppable for the same reason a "hot stock" is seem as unstoppable, or a Ponzi scheme, or a cult, or a pyramid scheme.

It keeps going up. It's not going to stop.

Sure.

Do enough research, and you can take your pick which it resembles most closely.


Bitter much? Show me where the BEV hurt you...

All joking aside, BEVs will continue to gain market share as the country urbanizes. People are moving out of rural areas and into the cities. It’s also a generational thing as is the case with any new technology. Sometimes technology can only move as fast as people age... humans generally are adverse to change.


I think you deeply misunderstood what I wrote, or no offense, didn't actually read all of it.

My only concern is with the perception that this is an all-inclusive technology capable of replacing the ICE vehicle. It isn't.

Great technology? Yes.

Great further potential? Yes.

Unlimited potential? No.

Generational thing? This new generation doesn't want a car at all. They're about as interested in buying a Tesla as being slaughtered by a Viking in a frozen cave. Not that they can afford them anyway......or any other new car.

In my case, it isn't age. It's strategy. When the next hurricane comes through here and rips apart the power grid and smashes the solar panels to pieces, do I want to have a $70,000 paperweight? Nope.

100 years from now, people are going to be scrambling to grab some sort of petroleum engine powered generator to make sure they don't get steamed in the dark after or during a weather event. Look deep enough in any modern brand new urban building and you'll find a really big one.

Ever heard of a hurricane lamp? Looks and works exactly the same way lamps did 5000 years ago.

This is a technology with walls and borders smaller than ICE. That is my point.

Our national electrical grid is a fragile thing that in some areas is loaded with problems, brownouts, rolling blackouts, and hilarious price management. The BEV tech is slave to this network, as its potential.


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Originally Posted by fdcg27
The country is urbanizing?
Maybe in parts of Oregon like Portland, but for most of us, the first thing young people with two pennies to rub together do after marrying when planning children is move to the 'burbs.
De-urbanization has been the trend for around seventy years now which is also the reason that the cores of so many older cities have rotted away.
There is also nothing new about BEVs, although the batteries Panasonic supplies Tesla are far more energy dense than were the batteries available even recently for cars like the GM EV-1.
Remember that car?
Generational?
Look again at the buyer demographic for Tesla cars.
Younger people generally don't have the bucks to buy or lease one while older buyers do, as is true for all higher buck offerings whether cars, housing or vacations.


By urbanizing I was including moving to the burbs. Rural and middle America is being hollowed out as people move to the coasts and population centers.


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