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Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: doyall] #5119622
05/29/19 07:48 PM
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I was planning on doing an early oil change on our q7. Before changing it I inspected the filter at 1000 miles, and it was pristine, no metal shavings in there so now i might wait a bit longer.


2007 Jeep Liberty PP 0w-20 / Carquest Blue, 6k oci
2015 Nissan Rogue PP 0w-20 / Pronto, 5k oci
2019 Audi Q7 - Castrol 5w-40 / OEM Filter
Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: A_The_B_V2] #5119623
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Originally Posted by A_The_B_V2
What is true today with Honda is that they use an ordinary 0W20 (probably synthetic as that's all there is in that weight), but there is significant moly in there from the build lube that is there to protect it on first start up.


The molybdenum in the build lube is probably what most people believe is in the new engine factory fill oil. I suspect that every manufacturer does something similar. That's probably why people used to say to leave the factory fill oil in.

I've never even thought about draining the factory fill. In every car I've ever bought, the factory fill is drained at the first oil change. The 1st oil change the dealer offers to you free. Let the dealership tech deal with the factory tight oil filter and drain plug.

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: doyall] #5119633
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Recent purchased a new car myself. Changed factory oil at 3000 miles then started 5-6k OCIs. Decided to change at 3k because while checking the dipstick on a bright sunny day, the microscopic glitter in the oil was abundantly visible. It was visible as suspension in the fluid itself as well as when wiped on a towel. Those particles are no-doubt in the single-digit micron range but, so are slurry mixtures used for fine-etching certain types of laboratory apparatus. I've done similar early OCs in the last 10+ new cars I've owned over the years -and have yet to regret doing it.

Ray

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: RayCJ] #5119644
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Wow. I've never gotten glitter on the dipstick in my 3K runs. What vehicle and engine are we talking about here Ray?


19 Hyundai SantaFe 2.4GDI Castrol Edge 5w30 / NAPA Mann-Hummel filter / 6oz Liqui-Moly Treatment
04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5119658
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
3K on the factory fill and 5K thereafter. Done this with the past eight new vehicles and I'm fiirst & last owner. They all last 18 years it seems and none of em' ever had the tops off for any repairs or replacements. None burned more than a quart in 5K.


First and last owner 18 years X 8 cars = 144 years.

Wow. You are the oil god.

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: DoubleNickels] #5119662
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Originally Posted by DoubleNickels


I've never even thought about draining the factory fill. In every car I've ever bought, the factory fill is drained at the first oil change. The 1st oil change the dealer offers to you free. Let the dealership tech deal with the factory tight oil filter and drain plug.


I like that last bit! Just picked up my new car last month with $100 / year for 2 years of stealership service. I'll at least do the first oil change there... after that ... prob'y not.

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: doyall] #5119674
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With a new car, unless you have the dealership change oil, there's nothing left for you to spend that service credit on. What else could they do for $100 or less? Almost everything is still under warranty. You are not using up $100 a year on windshield wipers and air fresheners.

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: A_The_B_V2] #5119676
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Originally Posted by A_The_B_V2
Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
3K on the factory fill and 5K thereafter. Done this with the past eight new vehicles and I'm fiirst & last owner. They all last 18 years it seems and none of em' ever had the tops off for any repairs or replacements. None burned more than a quart in 5K.


First and last owner 18 years X 8 cars = 144 years.

Wow. You are the oil god.

You aren't good at reading comprehension..... are you?


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04 Colorado 3.5 Castrol Edge 0W40 Euro & K&N filter
03 Malibu 3.1 QS / Valv Syn 5w30 mix Fram EG filter
Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: doyall] #5119815
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I'm in the "follow the oem recommendation" camp on when to drain the FF.

How far do we want to go back? My first cars the recommendation was 500 to 1000 miles oci for FF.

Then the Subarus went to 3k.

The newer cars all seem to be 6 to 7k.

All things change.


2019 Subaru Impreza 5-door Castrol EP 0w-20 PBL14615 filter
2018 Honda Clarity PHEV Castrol Bio-Synthetic 0w-20 PBL14610 filter
2017 Toyota Rav4 Hybrid Castrol Bio-Synthetic 0w-20 PBL25608 filter
Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: doyall] #5119886
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Not many owners manual recommend early change these days ... None of my cars old or new said anything about early oil change!
All our Toyotas iirc just said take it easy on the car and vary rpm the first 1000 miles.
also Some say drive a new car like you stole it but not any of the om that I've read.

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Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: OilUzer] #5119891
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Originally Posted by OilUzer
Some say drive a new car like you stole it but not any of the om that I've read.



cheers

You will read a lot of things online, or hear people say in real life. Most of those things are not in the owners manuals. However, if you follow everything in the owners manuals.....there's paid advertisement in those owners manuals. I have owners manuals which recommend using certain brands of gasoline and motor oil. I've even seen gas caps with fuel brands on them. Some owners manuals will tell you that your transmission fluid is a lifetime fluid. You simply can't believe everything you read online, hear on the streets, or read in an owners manual.

Common sense should prevail when it comes to driving your new car like you stole it.

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Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: OilUzer] #5119906
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Originally Posted by OilUzer
Not many owners manual recommend early change these days ...

Even years ago, it wasn't all the common. Note, however, you'll still see it with all kinds of agricultural and industrial equipment.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: oil_film_movies] #5119914
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Originally Posted by oil_film_movies
Twice in a thousand miles is a bit too much. OCD practically. I do think changing it out at 500 to 1,500 miles is a good idea though. That's enough.

I probably wind up here … a single early change … but don’t reset the OLM …

I will normally do 1st diffs and xfer case in 10k-20k …

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Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: 4WD] #5119932
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Originally Posted by 4WD


I will normally do 1st diffs and xfer case in 10k-20k …


thumbsup I did mine along with an early transmission pan drop and filter change in both Jeeps @ 10K miles.


God Bless Our Troops

Re: Over-the-top break-in oil change recommendation? [Re: Mr Nice] #5119976
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Originally Posted by Mr Nice
Every new vehicle I change at 4000 miles.

I just got a new Chevy and will do first oil change at 4000 miles, silly to change at 1000.


I disagree. I changed the factory fill in my Corvette at 1100 miles and it had 2% fuel in the oil, it had thinned out to 9.3 cst at 100c (on the verge of 5w20) and silicon was at 124 ppm. I am certainly glad I didn't leave that oil in the sump for another few thousand miles (or imagine if I had followed the OLM and gone 7 or 8000 miles??) And even at the second oil change at 3100 miles, the oil had thinned out to 9.6 cst and silicon was still high at 56 ppm, so I'm glad I did that one too.

Did I extend the lifespan of my engine by doing this? Who knows for sure, but I certainly didn't shorten it. I like to drive my car hard from time to time and don't like having a thinned out oil in there when doing that.


2018 Corvette, 13k, M1 ESP Formula 5w30 & NAPA Gold
2006 Civic EX Coupe, 151k, PUP 5w20 & Fram Ultra
2010 BMW 328i X-Drive,116k, GC 0w40 & Fram Ultra

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