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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: Vikas] #5119306
05/29/19 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vikas
When Snap On tool break - "You abused it"
When HF tool breaks - "It is piece of junk"


wink are you still abusing your junk ?

Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119328
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Actually, Snap On considers such things as using a 3/8 ratchet to do a 1/2 ratchet's job and prying with screwdrivers abuse. I very rarely had any broken tools and I was lucky to have a pretty generous Snap On guy but I do remember him complaining once at something I had broken and saying I know you own the bigger tool. Well, when I'm on the 60th floor of a building and my van is down on the street, I'm certainly going to try and do it with what I have with me.

After watching that torque comparison video, I'm going to stop one of my friends who is about to buy the HF wrench. Just not worth it.

Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119573
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Originally Posted by Trav
For a few bucks more you can have a USA made one from Precision. 3/8 split beam..

https://www.amazon.com/Precision-In...mp;psc=1&refRID=RQBJBG98QPXRBFFSN4B0



$118 vs $10!

All I used the old one for was axle nuts and lug nuts. shrug

LOL I use a breaker bar and stomp on it to tighten axle nuts.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119894
05/30/19 02:59 AM
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Getting back to the original post...........

Okay. So what? It broke. $10. You getting a new one?


Originally Posted by eljefino
$10 1/2 drive. I never used it beyond the 150 ft-lb it's rated for. Started skipping and we get what we've got here, chinesium!

Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119987
05/30/19 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by eljefino
Originally Posted by Trav
For a few bucks more you can have a USA made one from Precision. 3/8 split beam..

https://www.amazon.com/Precision-In...mp;psc=1&refRID=RQBJBG98QPXRBFFSN4B0



$118 vs $10!

All I used the old one for was axle nuts and lug nuts. shrug

Won't do 150 like the 1/2" drive. [Zero idea why, but my Tundra needs 150 ft-lb on its lugs. I guess that was cheaper than using six lugs like everyone else? Heck the 1/2" drive HF is too short for my wimpy arms on that job.]

I did notice the screws backing out of mine the last time I used my 1/2 HF one, one is gone now so I should think about replacement I guess.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119991
05/30/19 07:28 AM
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OP Bring it in, it has lifetime warranty.

For Lug Nuts and other "Non" critical bolts the HF torque wrench is fine, the resultant preload error due to a click type torque wrench is relatively high so if you really cared about your preload you would use a better tool.

Torque measurement of the bolt head is +/- 25% ( https://mmptdpublic.jsc.nasa.gov/mswg/Documents/NSTS%2008307.pdf PG 23)


If we are talking about head bolts, something like that well I'll be using angle of turn which is usually specified by the service manual which cuts down the error to +/- 15%


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: supton] #5119992
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Originally Posted by supton
Originally Posted by eljefino
Originally Posted by Trav
For a few bucks more you can have a USA made one from Precision. 3/8 split beam..

https://www.amazon.com/Precision-In...mp;psc=1&refRID=RQBJBG98QPXRBFFSN4B0



$118 vs $10!

All I used the old one for was axle nuts and lug nuts. shrug

Won't do 150 like the 1/2" drive. [Zero idea why, but my Tundra needs 150 ft-lb on its lugs. I guess that was cheaper than using six lugs like everyone else? Heck the 1/2" drive HF is too short for my wimpy arms on that job.]

I did notice the screws backing out of mine the last time I used my 1/2 HF one, one is gone now so I should think about replacement I guess.


For 150FT/LB you are going to want a 0-250 ft/lb torque wrench. Best accuracy is middle of the range of the tool and typically you dont use the top or bottom 10-20%, so using a 0-150 ft/lb for 150ft/lb is a no no. Using a 0-250ft/lb puts it right in the sweet spot.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5119993
05/30/19 07:36 AM
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Yeah, I need to find a bigger one, no doubt. But it's a lug not a rod cap. +/-10% is nothing compared what tire shops will do. I'm guessing it's over designed and getting above or below by a large margin was designed into the setup. Plus I'm not too far from when I was planning to trade this truck off, in which case I won't need such a tool anymore.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5120292
05/30/19 01:33 PM
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The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. I prefer CDI or Precision Instruments torque wrenches. I have CDI as I sometimes need to torque left handed threads. The PI split beam is great, but only for right hand torquing, I was injured once when a ratchet failed on a shop owned 3/4" drive torque wrench. It failed at 330 LB/FT. I have always owned my torque wrenches since then. I keep them clean and maintained. I never jerk to torque, always a smooth pull to torque. The CDI is a beautiful work of art. It feels like a ball bearing sleeve when adjusting the torque setting. While hot rod did test the HF wrenches they did not test for longevity. The quality torque wrenches will last a very long time and the ratchet repair kits for them are easily obtained. A 150 LB/FT CDI goes for $140 - $165 and to me is well worth the price. As Snap-On says" We'd rather explain the cost of quality than apologize for something less. CDI is owned by Snap-on Industrial. PI used to make Snap-On torque wrenches.
Also CDI claims that the accuracy is 3% or 4% of the setting. Most low cost wrenches are 3% or 4% of the maximum torque the wrench is capable of. This makes a large difference in the lower torque ranges.
Roy

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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: royesses] #5120325
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Originally Posted by royesses
The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten. I prefer CDI or Precision Instruments torque wrenches. I have CDI as I sometimes need to torque left handed threads. The PI split beam is great, but only for right hand torquing, I was injured once when a ratchet failed on a shop owned 3/4" drive torque wrench. It failed at 330 LB/FT. I have always owned my torque wrenches since then. I keep them clean and maintained. I never jerk to torque, always a smooth pull to torque. The CDI is a beautiful work of art. It feels like a ball bearing sleeve when adjusting the torque setting. While hot rod did test the HF wrenches they did not test for longevity. The quality torque wrenches will last a very long time and the ratchet repair kits for them are easily obtained. A 150 LB/FT CDI goes for $140 - $165 and to me is well worth the price. As Snap-On says" We'd rather explain the cost of quality than apologize for something less. CDI is owned by Snap-on Industrial. PI used to make Snap-On torque wrenches.
Also CDI claims that the accuracy is 3% or 4% of the setting. Most low cost wrenches are 3% or 4% of the maximum torque the wrench is capable of. This makes a large difference in the lower torque ranges.
Roy

Not true. The industry standard is a percentage of setting (usually 4%, sometimes 3%) I watched the comparison calibrating a harbor freight torque wrench on a earlier post, It appeared the technician was reading the NM scale instead of the FT/Lb scale. That might explain the error he got. I calibrated torque wrenches for a living and was never impressed with the HF wrenches. Although, if you adjust them to tolerance they will work. But, they are crude, the markings on the barrel don't line up well, and their handles are too short. You will find the quality wrenches universally have longer handles.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: Chris142] #5120774
05/30/19 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris142
Several years ago when Craftsman was clearancing all the USA made tools to get the Chinese ones in i bought a USA made torque wrench on clearance.
I later found out that the guys on garage journal say it's junk.


My Craftsman 50flb and 150flb torque wrenches are 1960's beam style ones. I trust them.
My modern 250flb "clicker" one was probably good when it was new but I have my doubts about it now. I tried to check it by pulling with a digital scale 1FT from the center of the ratchet and its clicking at least 8% low in it's midrange


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: CrAlt] #5122261
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Originally Posted by CrAlt
Originally Posted by Chris142
Several years ago when Craftsman was clearancing all the USA made tools to get the Chinese ones in i bought a USA made torque wrench on clearance.
I later found out that the guys on garage journal say it's junk.


My Craftsman 50flb and 150flb torque wrenches are 1960's beam style ones. I trust them.
My modern 250flb "clicker" one was probably good when it was new but I have my doubts about it now. I tried to check it by pulling with a digital scale 1FT from the center of the ratchet and its clicking at least 8% low in it's midrange


Your calibration technique is wrong. You must apply the force on the handle or the torque will be wrong. There are calibration labs that will do the job correctly.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: redbone3] #5122275
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Originally Posted by redbone3
Originally Posted by CrAlt
Originally Posted by Chris142
Several years ago when Craftsman was clearancing all the USA made tools to get the Chinese ones in i bought a USA made torque wrench on clearance.
I later found out that the guys on garage journal say it's junk.


My Craftsman 50flb and 150flb torque wrenches are 1960's beam style ones. I trust them.
My modern 250flb "clicker" one was probably good when it was new but I have my doubts about it now. I tried to check it by pulling with a digital scale 1FT from the center of the ratchet and its clicking at least 8% low in it's midrange


Your calibration technique is wrong. You must apply the force on the handle or the torque will be wrong. There are calibration labs that will do the job correctly.


Ok I will do the math to get the scale in the handle area. On my 3/8" drive one 1ft is there though. I don't think sending a homedepot wrench out to cal is in the cards for something I use 2 or 3x a year. Would probably cheaper just buy a new one. As a hobbyist the beams get me by.

Would be interesting to have a lab check a 50 year old beam vs a 7 year old $40 husky click wrench though confused


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: CrAlt] #5122515
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Originally Posted by CrAlt
Originally Posted by redbone3
Originally Posted by CrAlt
Originally Posted by Chris142
Several years ago when Craftsman was clearancing all the USA made tools to get the Chinese ones in i bought a USA made torque wrench on clearance.
I later found out that the guys on garage journal say it's junk.


My Craftsman 50flb and 150flb torque wrenches are 1960's beam style ones. I trust them.
My modern 250flb "clicker" one was probably good when it was new but I have my doubts about it now. I tried to check it by pulling with a digital scale 1FT from the center of the ratchet and its clicking at least 8% low in it's midrange


Your calibration technique is wrong. You must apply the force on the handle or the torque will be wrong. There are calibration labs that will do the job correctly.


Ok I will do the math to get the scale in the handle area. On my 3/8" drive one 1ft is there though. I don't think sending a homedepot wrench out to cal is in the cards for something I use 2 or 3x a year. Would probably cheaper just buy a new one. As a hobbyist the beams get me by.

Would be interesting to have a lab check a 50 year old beam vs a 7 year old $40 husky click wrench though confused


The force must be applied at a 90ยบ angle. A new cheap torque wrench, in my experience, is just as likely to be out of tolerance as an old one.


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Re: HF torque wrench wore out [Re: eljefino] #5122876
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I just compare it to my old style beam wrench. If its close its close. My newer tekton 1/2 drive torque wrench is very close.

my older AAP brand one with the longer handle is consistantly low but I only use it on lugnuts so I just add 10lb to the setting.

At one time I compared all 3 with a digital torque adapter and they came out where I was expecting them to.


I might add one of those split beam types to my collection but it would be a luxury for what I use them for.


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