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Maxlife ATF for +4 application #5116470 05/26/19 03:43 PM
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Can you use Maxlife synthetic ATF to replace +4 type ATF? It would be for a 2017 Ram 2500 5.7L gas with 6 speed auto. Thinking of drain/fill and filter change at 70k miles since it is used for a lot of towing.

Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116499 05/26/19 04:37 PM
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Why would you want to not use ATF+4? Full synthetic, cheap, available everywhere-I've been tempted to use it in Dexron II/III applications (cheaper than Dex VI).


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116513 05/26/19 04:54 PM
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I would stick with ATF+4.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116517 05/26/19 04:59 PM
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Maxlife seems to be on the thinner side.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116521 05/26/19 05:08 PM
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ATF+4 has specific static and dynamic friction characteristics. Your vehicle is designed/programmed with this in mind. Changing to a fluid with other specs would be asking for trouble in my books.

Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116530 05/26/19 05:17 PM
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From CarTechBooks.com

"Chrysler ATF+4, also called ATE—a synthetic ATF introduced in 1998, it should always be used in any vehicle in which ATF+4 is specified. It can be used in Chrysler vehicles manufactured in prior years, except for minivans from before 2000, which use the 41TE/AE transmission. It is not compatible with Dexron or Mercon fluids."

I think you'd be wise to stick with genuine ATF+4 while you're still under warranty. You can buy qt size bottles of ATF+4 at Wally's and Carquest for about $5 or get a 5ltr jug of Mopar/ACDelco ATF+4 on Amazon for about $30.~35. The Mopar product is supposed to be one of those "for the life of" products but I'd still change it out per the mfgs schedule.

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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116558 05/26/19 05:45 PM
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Maxlife ATF may be better than sliced bread for the little I know.

But I would use whatever the maker of my car/transmission recommended. In your case +4.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116564 05/26/19 05:55 PM
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I'd stick with ATF+4. Auto Zone has Castrol ATF+4, two quarts for $11, untii the end of the month. WMT has Super Tech, which might even be cheaper.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116569 05/26/19 05:59 PM
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During the warranty period, use any licensed ATF+4 from Chrysler's official approved list. All of these are the same. Walmart ATF+4 is licensed and thus is OK to use. The parts stores put Castrol ATF+4 on sale a few times a year. If you find an approved ATF+4 for less, use it smile

After the warranty is over, consider Redline C+ if you can afford it. If not, stick with something on the list.

If your transmission doesn't have a drain plug, get an aftermarket pan that has one.

Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: bullwinkle] #5116688 05/26/19 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bullwinkle
Why would you want to not use ATF+4? Full synthetic, cheap, available everywhere-I've been tempted to use it in Dexron II/III applications (cheaper than Dex VI).



The coefficients of friction don't match in this application. I would just wait until a ATF sale or use a house brand DEX VI.


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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116761 05/26/19 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ZraHamilton
Can you use Maxlife synthetic ATF to replace +4 type ATF? It would be for a 2017 Ram 2500 5.7L gas with 6 speed auto. Thinking of drain/fill and filter change at 70k miles since it is used for a lot of towing.


As others have said don't do it. From what I've read the majority of Chrysler Tranny fails were do to the wrong fluids being used throughout the years.

Use only ATF+4 in your tranny. I just drained and filled 2.5 liters (using a vacuum pump) from my 2015 Caravan last weekend and it's shifting a bit smoother. I have 60,xxx km (37200 miles) on it, Later this year I'll drop the pan and change the filter.


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Originally Posted by ZraHamilton
Can you use Maxlife synthetic ATF to replace +4 type ATF? It would be for a 2017 Ram 2500 5.7L gas with 6 speed auto. Thinking of drain/fill and filter change at 70k miles since it is used for a lot of towing.


You can, but you should not unless no other option.

Also, are you certain the transmission is using the ATF +4? I was under the impression everything after 2014 got the ZF transmissions, in which case there a ZF-specific fluid which has to be used (and it is more expensive than inkjet printer ink, so prepare yourself if you have to buy multiple quarts of that).


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Valvoline makes a separate stand alone product for ATF +4. It’s in a blue bottle. The Valvoline Maxlife ( in the red bottle ) does not list ATF +4 as being one of the products it replaces. Here is a shot of the back of the red bottle. Also have a look at www.valvoline.com

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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: ZraHamilton] #5116960 05/27/19 06:22 AM
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Why? ATF+4 is available everywhere.

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Re: Maxlife ATF for +4 application [Re: The_Nuke] #5117075 05/27/19 09:05 AM
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From the 2017
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Originally Posted by ZraHamilton
Can you use Maxlife synthetic ATF to replace +4 type ATF? It would be for a 2017 Ram 2500 5.7L gas with 6 speed auto. Thinking of drain/fill and filter change at 70k miles since it is used for a lot of towing.


You can, but you should not unless no other option.

Also, are you certain the transmission is using the ATF +4? I was under the impression everything after 2014 got the ZF transmissions, in which case there a ZF-specific fluid which has to be used (and it is more expensive than inkjet printer ink, so prepare yourself if you have to buy multiple quarts of that).


From the owners manual for a 2017 Ram: For the 8 speed AT use Mopar ZF 8&9 Speed ATF. For the 6 speed Automatic Transmission use ATF +4. Since the OP says he has the 6 speed AT, the AFF +4 is correct.
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