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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BobsArmory] #5114922
05/24/19 08:55 PM
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Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you want everyone in your business. People are absolutely insane.


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: hatt] #5115323
05/25/19 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by hatt
Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you want everyone in your business. People are absolutely insane.


What business are you in - that needs total prIvacy? If such business does exist, then why are you trying to broadcast it on the world-wide web?

Seriously! Either go live under a rock, or join the real world. You can't hide anymore on the internet and only goofs keep trying. Governments are reducing privavcy matters everywhere, in regards to this. We are relying on the internet more & more every year. Revenue is important for existence of the internet. Part of the revenue avenue is a form of spy-search to obtain this existence.

If you don't like it, then stay off the internet. Lastly, every week click on the ads here. Otherwise Helen may be forced to close this place down without monetary relief. You want total privacy here, yet you don't have any $25 or $50 contribution next to your screen name here.

Do one or the other. Please don't turn into one of those goof's.

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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5115607
05/25/19 05:02 PM
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Remember, though, the point is that it's not a dichotomy. Many people simply want privacy. Some people need it by virtue of their work. Some aren't even "people" at all but organizations, including government entities and financial organizations. The ability to file your taxes online doesn't mean you must surrender your privacy and have the revenue service post your return for everyone to see. They have to use best security practices to safeguard your information. The same goes for your credit card company and bank. It's not that you must have your statements stored on servers unsafely or you must get them physically mailed to you. They are required to safeguard that information, and if a hacker gets access to their database, even the credit card users who get statements mailed and pay by cheque won't be safe.

It's never a "one or the other" dichotomy.


Plain, simple Garak.

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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5116045
05/26/19 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
Originally Posted by hatt
Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you want everyone in your business. People are absolutely insane.


What business are you in - that needs total prIvacy? If such business does exist, then why are you trying to broadcast it on the world-wide web?

Seriously! Either go live under a rock, or join the real world. You can't hide anymore on the internet and only goofs keep trying. Governments are reducing privavcy matters everywhere, in regards to this. We are relying on the internet more & more every year. Revenue is important for existence of the internet. Part of the revenue avenue is a form of spy-search to obtain this existence.

If you don't like it, then stay off the internet. Lastly, every week click on the ads here. Otherwise Helen may be forced to close this place down without monetary relief. You want total privacy here, yet you don't have any $25 or $50 contribution next to your screen name here.

Do one or the other. Please don't turn into one of those goof's.

Your post makes absolutely no sense. I'm in the real estate biz so I'm all over the internet. What does that have to do with my private life that I don't want broadcast?


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: hatt] #5117050
05/27/19 08:27 AM
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What's in your private life of web-surfing, that you're scared to broadcast?
C'mon, fess-up and give us the juicy details. But if it's rated XXX and it may be, then share it with your home-buying clients instead.


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: Triple_Se7en] #5117097
05/27/19 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Triple_Se7en
What's in your private life of web-surfing, that you're scared to broadcast?
C'mon, fess-up and give us the juicy details. But if it's rated XXX and it may be, then share it with your home-buying clients instead.

Post your browser history for the last year. I'll be waiting.


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BobsArmory] #5117116
05/27/19 09:44 AM
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This thread SHOULD DIE!!!

Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BobsArmory] #5128098
06/07/19 06:12 PM
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Weird I didn't see that browser history. Must have something to hide.


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: hatt] #5134697
06/15/19 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by hatt
Just because you have nothing to hide doesn't mean you want everyone in your business. People are absolutely insane.


Yup, it amazes me how willing people are to let companies prostitute the private information of their families, including their own children so they can get out of paying for stuff..

They let these massive corporations (google ect) make MASSIVE profits off of this information, selling your kids and family information to the highest bidders in the world all because your too cheap for pay for stuff.

For gods sake, they even know how your mind and that of your family works better then you do, they can actually figure out what "triggers" in your brain to buy certain products and you have no clue they do, stupid, stupid, stupid. Wait till they map out how you vote in elections, without you knowing why.


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BobsArmory] #5135340
06/15/19 10:40 PM
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Can't believe this thread...........triggers my brain to nonsensical.

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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: CKN] #5135527
06/16/19 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CKN
Can't believe this thread...........triggers my brain to nonsensical.


Not directed at you or anyone, posted this before, there is a reason why the top 1% to 5% and up to 10% of the people in this world control the politics and hold the most amount of money. Most people close their eyes and minds to things that make them uncomfortable.

The reason I am saying this is here you have the brightest, richest, tech CEOs in the WORLD repeating what I have have been posting in forums (which is repeating their words) but most people just make comments like the above.
All of them agree (the good guys in our country, (the ones who created the whole tech revolution) that they do not understand why people are not concerned.

So here I am presenting you with just one of MANY speeches from ONE of MANY of the brightest inventors in the tech revolution and people will still find a way to discount what he is saying because its the easy way out, for now. The majority of the population are unable to understand much of it because they do not wish too, its uncomfortable.

The reason tech was invented is because the top 1% were able to make themselves uncomfortable, its also why the same companies control everything you do.

Ok, here is the speech, once again, most will close their minds, yet, EVERY single tech CEO in the US will agree with him, if not publicly, privately.

Click below for text and video:
Tim Cook on privacy, go ahead, click and watch - dare you :o)

‘Our own information is being weaponized against us with military efficiency’

For those who dont like to read click below to go straight to the video:
[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVhOLkIs20A#action=share[/video]

Open your mind ...
....

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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BobsArmory] #5136365
06/17/19 08:05 AM
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So, I did some reading this past weekend and apparently a lot of web sites are blocking/beginning to block IP's from TOR exit nodes. The rationale is that it is done for security reasons but from what I understand it's not possible to conduct an attack using TOR. So why do it? The only answer is that they've been encouraged to do so. By discouraging "good actors", who wish for anonymity, from using the network default makes it easier to monitor the "bad actors".


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5136381
06/17/19 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
So, I did some reading this past weekend and apparently a lot of web sites are blocking/beginning to block IP's from TOR exit nodes. The rationale is that it is done for security reasons but from what I understand it's not possible to conduct an attack using TOR. So why do it? The only answer is that they've been encouraged to do so. By discouraging "good actors", who wish for anonymity, from using the network default makes it easier to monitor the "bad actors".


As both public and private web sites are increasingly being held accountable for the content and activity on their sites, I can absolutely see why they'd demand accountable identity from those visiting and using their sites. I am a web developer; and the sites I administer are either static or require an account to use anyhow; but I would require *zero* "encouragement" to block conspicuously anonymous visitors. A VPN is one thing (and will seriously mess up a site who is trying to provide geolocation-based services or information to the visitor) but TOR is quite another thing.

I wouldn't have the means, as an individual or small enterprise, to create and maintain a blacklist of TOR exit node IP's so I suppose Cloudflare and Akamai offering such a service would be a *choice* that web sites can make when they contract Content Distribution Network providers.

Re: Why privacy matters [Re: uc50ic4more] #5136505
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Originally Posted by uc50ic4more
Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
So, I did some reading this past weekend and apparently a lot of web sites are blocking/beginning to block IP's from TOR exit nodes. The rationale is that it is done for security reasons but from what I understand it's not possible to conduct an attack using TOR. So why do it? The only answer is that they've been encouraged to do so. By discouraging "good actors", who wish for anonymity, from using the network default makes it easier to monitor the "bad actors".


As both public and private web sites are increasingly being held accountable for the content and activity on their sites, I can absolutely see why they'd demand accountable identity from those visiting and using their sites. I am a web developer; and the sites I administer are either static or require an account to use anyhow; but I would require *zero* "encouragement" to block conspicuously anonymous visitors. A VPN is one thing (and will seriously mess up a site who is trying to provide geolocation-based services or information to the visitor) but TOR is quite another thing.

I wouldn't have the means, as an individual or small enterprise, to create and maintain a blacklist of TOR exit node IP's so I suppose Cloudflare and Akamai offering such a service would be a *choice* that web sites can make when they contract Content Distribution Network providers.



How does the contents and activity of ones site have anything to do with who's viewing it?


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Re: Why privacy matters [Re: BMWTurboDzl] #5136585
06/17/19 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWTurboDzl
How does the contents and activity of ones site have anything to do with who's viewing it?


Most sites do not really distinguish between a "poster" and "viewer". There are simply visitors to web sites that "use" the site including all of its facilities. Eg. there are no "view-only" accounts here at BITOG, although that is what a substantial number of members here do exclusively.

If illegal content were posted on this very site, for example, the BITOG admins might have a legal headache on their hands if they were to not remove and report it promptly; and that headache would get much more severe if they "allowed" that content to be posted (eg. I am "allowed" to post the content of my message right now) by [we have no idea who because all of the traffic came from TOR].

For BITOG, then, blocking TOR nodes might mitigate the risk of someone intent on posting illegal content from fraudulently setting up an account. If you simply want your name and main email address obfuscated, just register a dummy Gmail account, make up a silly name like "uc50ic4more" and provide inaccurate supplementary information. That ought to satisfy your want of anonymity... If, however, you want your IP address to remain a secret, then people's spidey senses start to tingle.

It is a very unenviable position to facilitate communications between private parties but ALSO kinda sorta be responsible for what those private parties say and post (see: YouTube, Napster, The Pirate Bay). Having a user of a web site be at least accountable with their identity both dissuades misuse (hopefully) and provides admins with some recourse if approached by law enforcement or with civil liability.

Apart from all of that, if you ran a for-profit web site, why on earth would you want anyone using it for free? The value exchange with "no-cost" web sites is that you provide information about yourself to them in exchange for the use of their facilities.

But after having said all of that, let's none of us be naive enough to pretend to be unable to imagine [some huge web site]'s legal team throwing a hissy-fit about *truly* anonymous visitors. Hackers, crooks, commies, gangs, etc. induce fear; and the cost involved in mitigating that fear is blocking an extremely small number of users who weren't going to be a part of your revenue stream anyhow. Extremely small number. And what are those users going to do besides compain (anonymously)? And who is expected to rise up and defend the interests of those users?

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