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Continuous pilot furnace and AC #5112313
05/22/19 11:41 AM
05/22/19 11:41 AM
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Brybo86 Offline OP
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i have an old furnace that works great but has a continuous pilot light.
I typically turn off the pilot when i turn on the AC for the summer.
I will be out of town for awhile, and it will be in the 80's(in laws will need AC....) for a few days then down to 50-60's again.

It is ok to leave the pilot on and run the AC at the same time? maybe just less efficient?
TIA


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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112319
05/22/19 11:45 AM
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Yes .

That or have a spark ignitor system installed


Wyr
God bless
Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112341
05/22/19 12:04 PM
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Yes but consider that you live in an area that gets fairly cold in winter and your furnace must be far past its expected lifespan by now. Unless you have alternate means of sufficiently heating the home, it is due for replacement. You can take your time getting bids on replacement cost if you're not in a hurry from it being 0F in winter at the time of failure.

Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112451
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Doesn't hurt one bit to leave the pilot light on… It just burns a little bit of gas overtime


I use the overseas manual to choose my oil viscosity.

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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112478
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Originally Posted by Dave9
Yes but consider that you live in an area that gets fairly cold in winter and your furnace must be far past its expected lifespan by now. Unless you have alternate means of sufficiently heating the home, it is due for replacement. You can take your time getting bids on replacement cost if you're not in a hurry from it being 0F in winter at the time of failure.


I have looked into it but the thing is ancient and seems to be working great.
approx 1700 sq ft house kept at 70 most expensive gas bill this winter was $170.

what type of failure would you suddenly expect at 0F?
I did change the blower motor and capacitor last fall due to a squeak that would only go away temporarily with oiling.

what would be your price estimate installed, mb a 100k BTU 95-98+ not sure if modular is good or not? more things to break

Last edited by Brybo86; 05/22/19 03:08 PM.

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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112563
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A new law regarding furnace efficiency takes effect on July 3, 2019. All furnaces will have an ECM motor manufactured after that point.


Wife: 15' Audi A4 quattro 6 speed manual
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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112564
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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112663
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so are you saying i should buy one now or wait until after the new regulation sets in?


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Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112666
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Just don't use the heat. You won't need it or miss it anyway.

Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112673
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An ecm motor will most likely cost more, be less reliable, and more difficult to troubleshoot.

Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5112768
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Your 40 year old furnace is probable 70% efficient they make 95%+ furnaces now and with central air if you look at total amp draw, compressor and condenser fan motor verses a new unit there we be a big difference. Some utility company's have rebates and do a energy audit.

Last edited by Fitter30; 05/22/19 07:29 PM.
Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: zzyzzx] #5112887
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Originally Posted by zzyzzx
An ecm motor will most likely cost more, be less reliable, and more difficult to troubleshoot.


There. Fixed it for you.
You need a variable speed motor tester to properly diagnose them and they ARE more expensive.

Re: Continuous pilot furnace and AC [Re: Brybo86] #5113039
05/23/19 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Brybo86
Originally Posted by Dave9
Yes but consider that you live in an area that gets fairly cold in winter and your furnace must be far past its expected lifespan by now. Unless you have alternate means of sufficiently heating the home, it is due for replacement. You can take your time getting bids on replacement cost if you're not in a hurry from it being 0F in winter at the time of failure.


I have looked into it but the thing is ancient and seems to be working great.
approx 1700 sq ft house kept at 70 most expensive gas bill this winter was $170.

what type of failure would you suddenly expect at 0F?
I did change the blower motor and capacitor last fall due to a squeak that would only go away temporarily with oiling.

what would be your price estimate installed, mb a 100k BTU 95-98+ not sure if modular is good or not? more things to break


Ancient and working great means you aren't at a hardship to shop around for the best replacement cost, as I mentioned.

You do not need 1000K BTU for a 1700 sq ft home. Not even close unless it is very poorly insulated or sealed.. A properly sized unit will cycle on and off less and wear out slower as well as reducing the operating cost. Do NOT believe some of the BTU calculators out there unless your home is incredibly lossy and if it is, invest in better sealing and insulation first.

Price estimation depends a lot on what your exact specific setup is. Measure your furnace width. If it's 17.5" an 80K BTU is your best option. If it's 21", go with the 100K BTU. This will make it as near a drop in replacement as possible and save the labor cost of extra adaptation. Granted I am making several assumptions without seeing your setup and could be wrong, am just doing some kind of mental averaging of cost and situation.

Why are you focusing on 95-98%? That's like upgrading from a yugo to a Cadillac. There is a sane middle ground, don't be duped by HVAC affiliated companies who are just interested in ideals instead of your cost.

Either you do or you don't already have intake inducer air piping with an induction blower setup. If it is an open ventilated area you can get an 80% efficient furnace the cheapest but otherwise shoot for 92% efficient to use or add existing ductwork for inducer blower airflow. That ductwork (I should call it piping since most often it is just standard PVC) will require labor and a smaller material cost.

The type of failure I"d expect at 0F is the worst kind, that if it is very cold when it fails, it is inhospitable in the home so you are in a rush to repair it without having the time to wait on competitive offers.

The older what you have is, the more it may deviate from modern furnances so an estimation is impossible without very detailed site survey info, but suppose it was just a drop in installation of same size furnace and the A/C was not replaced, recoverable due to more recent replacement or whatever, or you opt not to do A/C, then the 100K unit can be had for around $1000 and the installation can be had for around $1200 but again this depends greatly on what is there and what has changed since your ancient furnace was put in.

The main thing is, do not wait until it is urgent to repair it quickly. Get competitive estimates NOW, and then if you want to wait and see if they will honor those estimates when the dead of winter is upon you, at least you have more info then.

Last edited by Dave9; 05/23/19 02:54 AM.
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