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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5109893
05/20/19 07:27 AM
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I can't remember if I ever drove a Geo Metro... maybe 20 years ago in college. Few years ago I drove the Mitsu Mirage, and I kinda liked the car. Same idea. Small and underpowered but I could forgive that if I could hit 50mpg. My old TDi wagon would do 50 if I kept my foot out of it (was like 46 over its 314k lifetime that I had it) and was a car that I wish I could replace.

Right now I'd probably give more thought to getting something with more mpg if it could hold my road bicycle easily on the inside, but I know that I don't have an economic justification for changing cars -- this past winter I had my foot in all the time, and got 26-28mpg. Summer gas and setting cruise to about the speed limit gets me 32. Hard to justify a car payment in order to go from 32 to 50, not when everything is paid off and not in dire need of replacement.

Drove a couple of Prius (regular and C) and felt they were hateful. Just don't care for all those LCD's and whatnot. I like the concept but there is something about them that turns me off. Maybe I just need to rent one for a week or two and get used to it. But at this point I think I'd rather have a more simple car that uses less tricks and is a more mechanical drive than one that pulls out the stops. I live out in the country and my 48 mile commute takes 51 minutes including the city driving. A hybrid would work but so would a simple small engine with tall gearing.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: supton] #5109901
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Never saw one on the road …

Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5109907
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I only ever saw a few, but I got my license in mid '90's which coincided with the rise of the SUV's and cheap gas. Friend in college had one (1997 or so, not sure how old the car was) and my roommate liked to joke that it was a Tardis, larger on the inside than it was on the outside.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5110236
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Hybrid haters often misunderstand the fact that going fast efficiently is very possible. The savings vs a conventional vehicle are often matched at most comparable speeds.

I drive a lot, and try as I might, I can’t get a rental Prius to return lower than 42mpg. Including speeds that put normal vehicles in the teens.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5110265
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75,000 miles on my 1.0 EcoBoost Focus and it’s been flawless. 50+ MPG is possible if your want it. And I tow a trailer with it that’s FAR larger than a Suburban cargo area.

I love doing more with less 👍🏻


I’ll almost certainly buy another Ford 3-cylinder EcoBoost in the future - excellent engines!


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5110277
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I owned an old diesel Rabbit back in the 1980s that regularly returned 55mpg on my 120-mile daily commute. My recently junked Impala with the 3.4L engine wasn't a record-setter, but I found on long trips fully loaded with 4 people onboard I could get 32mpg. My Kawasaki 500 motorcycle regularly returns about 52mpg. You don't need a lot of fancy technology to get great mileage.

Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: supton] #5110312
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Originally Posted by supton
I can't remember if I ever drove a Geo Metro... maybe 20 years ago in college. ...

Right now I'd probably give more thought to getting something with more mpg if it could hold my road bicycle easily on the inside, ...

Drove a couple of Prius (regular and C) and felt they were hateful. Just don't care for all those LCD's and whatnot. ...
I never rode a Metro, but knew a pair of old bachelor brothers who had one. They liked it, until they accidentally knocked a hole in the engine block (specifically, into an oil line, no less!) attempting to remove the stuck oil filter with a hammer and chisel.

Fuel savings aside, one of the best features of a Prius is that it can easily swallow a bike or two; otherwise, I certainly would not have bought it. One of its worst is its combination of monotone vacuum-fluorescent and badly positioned LCD dash displays that are not only drab, but also dangerously difficult to read under common lighting conditions. You can nearly run off the road trying to see how much fuel is left, or how the HVAC system is set.


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1981 Mazda GLC (323) retired at 606K
1972 Subaru DL retired at 190K
1954 Chevrolet retired at 121K
Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5110905
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That sounds annoying.

I drove a C once and it seemed kinda underpowered (but there was 3 of us in it). But the '17 Prius I drove I took a distinct hate towards. I decided to flip on cruise in a 40mph zone, just to see what its psuedo-CVT would feel like--and one of the LCD's popped up a warning about being careful in a residential zone! It also felt dead slow from a stop, but perhaps it just lacks the aggressive tip-in that my other vehicles have (which I never liked but wound up adapting to).


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2010 Toyota Tundra DC, 4.6L/6AT, 150k, ours
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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: supton] #5110917
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I need to get up to speed on what comes with CVT …
not going to buy one, and every rental I’ve had with one was a dog.

Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5110946
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It’s good to remember that e-cvt is not a chain-belt cvt, but rather an electric motor and gear or on/off-clutch affair that varies the speed of the electric motors as needed. Nothing to slip or wear out.

Put another way, hybrid cvt’s are not the same and don’t have the same troubles. Don’t associate the bad cvt reputation with today’s hybrids.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: RayCJ] #5111061
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Originally Posted by RayCJ
. . .

Also, I'm always mindful of the people around me. Sure, steady accelerations and coasting to stops will increase fuel economy but, it might also annoy the living daylights out of the drivers behind you. In the worst case, putzing along at a self-righteously slow pace can create a dangerous situation. In my view of the world, driving for good fuel economy is a good thing but driving and being considerate of others on the road is more important.
. . .

Ray

Reminds me of that annoying State Farm spot with the woman obsessed with her discount. We've got more of that type than we need on the roads now.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5111088
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my son's 6MT 1.5T civic seems to hold mid 30s, with him driving it like we drove sticks in the 80s.... shift 3-4k rpm, and 42ish on the highway ... excellent mpg without even trying. Even my older S60 2.4NA volvo would return 28 on my commute and 30's highway, and it wasn't a lightweight vehicle, just good aero.

As a 1/2 ton truck owner I'm thrilled with the mpg the newish F150 delivers, but I have very mixed feelings about it. We pull a trailer with the truck but besides that I'd be happy with a small vehicle IF I didn't feel so threatened by the small percentage of large vehicles that drive recklessly or aggressively with little consideration for smaller vehicles. I love the less-is-more concept and would willingly enjoy commuting in an open frame go-kart if there was a way to do it safely.

(Conversely, as a truck commuter who DOES care about the smaller vehicles, I keep my speeds down, leave space in front of me and drive with others' in mind, which then ends up frustrating the small cars around me who want me to drive faster or get out of their way. We, as the human element is a messy bunch!)

Some old tech is not always good. I used to ride a CB440 with a bunch of miles on it, and really couldn't break 30mpg. It was no better than my 4cyl accord.


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5111135
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I’m pleasantly surprised by the fuel economy my Clubman returns in the daily commute. Depending on traffic I often see over 40 mpg. If I didn’t already have the Mini I would seriously consider picking up a 2015-2016 i3; I loved the 2016 REx that we leased for a couple of years.


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2014 M235i
2009 Cooper Clubman
1999 Wrangler Sahara
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Wife's:
2015 X1 xDrive28i M Sport


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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: fdcg27] #5111289
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I wish I could buy my vehicles based solely on the best fuel economy. But in reality, most people buy vehicles based on their lifestyle and needs (utility/cargo, passengers, etc), their budget, and then go shop the best examples available. Once I buy the right vehicle, I try to get the best fuel economy that I can. I ride dirt bikes and go camping quite a bit, so a pickup truck is definitely the best vehicle for my lifestyle. (I have considered SUV with rear bike rack but that's only good for one bike.) I'm getting around 23 MPG average which is good for a midsize pickup. Of course nobody "needs" a Corvette, but everyone needs toys, and it averages 22 MPG which is also pretty good for a 24 year old V8 sports car... long highway trips are around 28 MPG smile


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2006 Tacoma 2.7 Base SR5 AC
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Re: I'm a fuel economy junkie [Re: supton] #5112418
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Originally Posted by supton
... But the '17 Prius I drove I took a distinct hate towards. ... It also felt dead slow from a stop, but perhaps it just lacks the aggressive tip-in that my other vehicles have ...
Um ... yes, non-aggressive "tip-in" was probably a big factor. I'm guessing you didn't try pressing the accelerator all the way down from a stop. That can squeal tires, albeit admittedly only briefly. All that said, I've never ridden a 4th-generation (2016 -present).


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