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Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: addyguy] #5094980
05/03/19 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by addyguy
Small Toyota engines, like the 1.5 in the Tercel and this 1.3, tend to work very hard, and as such are hard on oil.

They use/gunk up oil more, but the engines run forever. We had a 1989 Tercel that used a lot of oil, but never lost a beat.

I think it's a common theme in the E/NZ/ZZ/ZR series of engines. I would think the Tercel with the 5E-FE and the Scions/Echo/Yaris with the 1NZ-FE(the 2nd gen xB got the Corolla's 2ZR-FE) aren't as worked as the 1NZ-FXE equipped 1st and 2nd gen Prius. The Tercel/Scion/Echo/Yaris aren't having to move a extra 900lbs of body, batteries and hybrid system gear.

Granted, the hybrid system is providing 40-60% of the car's propulsion but batteries do drain.

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5095136
05/03/19 07:41 PM
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Just to confirm the filter photos were on a filter (and oil) that had done 5000km. The previous 2 had done 2500km but didn't show hardly anything when cut open. I can't recall if I cut open the filter that came off at purchase time, maybe it would have been interesting. I'm guessing the shortish intervals have started loosening muck and it's just now beginning to come out and get to the filter.
The car epitomises short running, plenty of 2 minute drives and not many 15 minutes or more so hopefully that is the reason for the moisture in the filter. Coolant level is constant (since I replaced the radiator etc) so at this stage I assume the head gasket is intact.
Silk: I live in Christchurch so mid winter may see a couple of mornings at -5C, no more than a month below 0C and summer highs only occasionally above 30C. I've got 3 cars that use the same filters so buy several at a time from Rockauto and they work out cheaper than the local places. Whereabouts are you located?
I've ordered a PCV valve for it, and a thermostat too. The pan would be pretty easy to drop and I haven't totally rejected that possibility. For the moment I was planning on seeing what I find in the oil and filters, if they appear to be making some headway (the filter above certainly collected a bit) then I'll continue with the softly softly approach. But it's a very valid suggestion.
The valve cover pics were from August last year (roughly 5000km ago), I had another look under there this morning and the difference is negligible, but the goo in the filter had to come from somewhere! I'll post the newer pics tonight.
Thanks for the comments.

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5095268
05/03/19 10:14 PM
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Pictures from this morning.
Hard to see any change from 5000km ago, but then it isn't a lot of km either.

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Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5095354
05/04/19 01:37 AM
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I'm in Huntly, we get a few -3 mornings in winter. 15W-40 will be fine in -5.


1987 BMW R65 - Aegis SAE30
2005 Nissan Expert - 5W-40 Castrol Magnatec diesel.
1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5097399
05/06/19 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hohocc
Pictures from this morning.
Hard to see any change from 5000km ago, but then it isn't a lot of km either.

Thanks for the follow up. To me eyes it does look a bit cleaner.


1997 Maxima 201k, Castrol GTX Synblend 5W-30, PL14459
2004 Corolla 200k, VWB + SSS + Rislone cocktail, MGL51516
Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108110
05/17/19 10:48 PM
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Put a new PCV valve in today, the old one was stuck more or less solid. Might have something to do with the varnish in the pictures posted earlier?
New thermostat too, no reason to doubt the old one but had the cooling system apart to flush the heater core out. Still some rusty flakes floating about in the coolant from it's previous days of neglect, but not nearly as much as the first couple of times I flushed it early on in our ownership.

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108213
05/18/19 06:09 AM
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That engine has finally fallen into 'good hands'. Nice work.

Why are you using such a thick oil? A thinner oil should clean better as it can get into tighter areas.

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108279
05/18/19 08:32 AM
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Your top end looks good, that first filter is sketchy though!

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108885
05/18/19 09:53 PM
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Yes the filter is pretty filthy, given the car gets short tripped most of the time I'm hoping that might be the reason for the moisture, hopefully not the head gasket...
The solids are presumably being loosened up from within the engine so the filter is doing its job in that sense. The previous couple of filters were nowhere near that bad so having had a few doses of fresh oil over the last 10000km must be what's freeing up all that mess.
The 15w40 Delvac is for a couple of reasons. I was interested to try an HDEO since things were a bit mucky under the valve cover (also have a corolla which is not quite so mucky but is also on Delvac), and am curious to see how much/quickly it cleans the engine up. The Nulon 5w30 that was in it has obviously started to do that already, but there was a good special going on Delvac through a friend so I bought that too. I'm also curious if the slightly thicker oil will make any difference to the oil consumption (which is quite low but consistent) so we'll see what happens. Let's call it a bit of a science experiment.
I notice that a quick look at the oil retailer I usually use here in New Zealand (Supercheap auto) shows only 1 0w40 oil, and no other 0w/anything so I suspect our climate here not getting much colder than -10c pretty much anywhere means less of the thinner oils are used here, and while 15w40 may be thick by Canada/Europe/Northern US standards it's closer to middle of the road over here. Certainly my cars rarely see lower than -5c, and even that is only a very few times per winter. A friend with a late 90s Corolla (4afe) uses a 20w60 as his engine oil but that is a bit thicker than I had considered using!
I've got some valve stem seals ordered for the Starlet as I doubt they have ever been changed. Opinion on the internet varies as to whether lightly worn vss's will produce any smoke (vs the cat hiding it) and I don't know any better but they certainly won't be fresh so will change them.

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108945
05/18/19 11:44 PM
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We get 0W-20 from Toyota for the Hi Lux, as a cover our arse because they give trouble and won't warranty the job if the wrong oil is used.

I've shown this one here before. For a 2A Corolla. Vehicle has since died...killed by a bus, not the oil. She now has a nice Demio.

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1987 BMW R65 - Aegis SAE30
2005 Nissan Expert - 5W-40 Castrol Magnatec diesel.
1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108978
05/19/19 01:36 AM
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So did it stop the oil burning?!
I had a similar Corolla several years ago, great car but the lack of airbags eventually started to bother me. Sorry to hear about the bus problem...

Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5108988
05/19/19 02:42 AM
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Yeah, she used to come in for a WoF with nothing on the dipstick, at least we got a reading with the 30-70. A genuine Granny car, just used around town, which is worse case for wear.


1987 BMW R65 - Aegis SAE30
2005 Nissan Expert - 5W-40 Castrol Magnatec diesel.
1996 Volvo T5 - Penrite HPR15 - 15W-60. Ryco syntec filter.
Re: Toyota Starlet (valve cover/filter pics) [Re: Hohocc] #5110825
05/21/19 05:04 AM
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Did some googling on this engine (4efe) and its head gasket...
Sounds like the normal failure is into the water jacket, so since there are no evidence of bubbles in the coolant/changing coolant level/unstable water temp I'm becoming more inclined to think the moisture in the oil/filter is related to the extreme short running the car does so much of. Will try to remedy this with some longer runs whenever possible and see what happens down the track.
Of course google and me could be wrong too!

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