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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: DuckRyder] #5104913 05/14/19 07:27 AM
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Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

I guess I am longing to move to Tornado alley for a comfortable retirement smile

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5104956 05/14/19 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.



So how do you explain my Civic's engine still plugging away nicely at over 150k now? It's always parked outside so it's seen a ton of below freezing starts (including quite a few under 0F too)


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5104960 05/14/19 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

130,000 miles?!? You've got to be kidding. I've posted pictures from many of my vehicles at very high miles after many, many below-freezing starts here in Wisconsin. Should I expect imminent failure on everything since I'm over 400,000 miles on one of them? I've used Mobil 1 products for most of their lives. And what's wrong with our gasoline?

Some of the stuff you make up is just silly, to put it mildly.


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: DuckRyder] #5105660 05/15/19 03:42 AM
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If you don't mind DuckRyder, I can contribute to the "What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil" theme.

Engine is a 2.2 four-pot Z22SE, european iteration of the GM L61 ECOTEC, 246K km (153K miles) on the odo and still pulling strong. Mobil 1 5W50, 10K km (6K miles) OCIs:

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For a comparison, here are pics of a "slightly neglected" L61 found around the web:

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: DuckRyder] #5105692 05/15/19 04:54 AM
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Thanks for posting. Not the first time I see a sparkling engine that used M1. That is great to see!


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5105799 05/15/19 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

I guess I am longing to move to Tornado alley for a comfortable retirement smile

It gets cold here in Illinois also( and very hot in the summer) and I have put several hundred thousand miles on engines(91 Ranger with 354K and my present 2007 Fusion with 241K and others) and have not experienced any of the issues you speak of. Long lasting engines, no varnish, and no sign of engine wear and all with M1 oils at 10K OCIs.


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2017 Ford Fusion 83K
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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5105888 05/15/19 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

I guess I am longing to move to Tornado alley for a comfortable retirement smile

Um are you forgetting my Santa Fe that went 300K miles (535K KM) and was spotless?

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5106004 05/15/19 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

I guess I am longing to move to Tornado alley for a comfortable retirement smile


How do you come up with this garbage???!!! crzy


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: DuckRyder] #5106864 05/16/19 11:30 AM
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Our family experience over 12 cars run through the past decade and a half. Not pulled out of my ...uh .... hat lining.
Ask my wife who seems to kill these cars. She has had a lot of Subaru, where most had TSB and recalls for excessive oil usage (FB25B) and incorrectly manufactured cylinders heads as on the EJ253. Just like the toyota 2.4 and the honda have as they went to slipper skirts and low tension rings. These are FACTS you can chooses to ignore, if for nothing else but for your own sanity and peace of mind.

Her current car has a Subaru of America free warranty extension to 120K miles on the CVT. She has decided to try and keep that - for now. The engine is loud for some reason and that bothers me.Sound like an internal exhaust issue. All I could do was check the airbox - and it was tight. Local Dealer says "operating as intended".

All get excellent, complete service with good oil and filters and timely fluids changes.

All I notice is, she is usually in a rush to work and in the Winter she just gets in and starts and goes pretty hard even on days near 0F. That can be a factor.

But, I still stand by the notion that our gasoline is abysmal.

Your experience may vary. And it does.

Ill take you LUCK if you want to give it to me smile

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5106942 05/16/19 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Our family experience over 12 cars run through the past decade and a half. Not pulled out of my ...uh .... hat lining.


You and your family are excessively hard on your vehicles. Perhaps you need to treat them a little better, and they'll treat you better too. You all need to change your driving habits.


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: tig1] #5106999 05/16/19 02:19 PM
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Here is a cam area pic of my 2007 Fusion.
Originally Posted by tig1
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Not many below-freezing starts a year I bet.
Bring her up North; Just that and a short trips to work would make a different picture.
Yep, Our gasoline and weather up here will have that engine dead in 130K miles from new.

I guess I am longing to move to Tornado alley for a comfortable retirement smile

It gets cold here in Illinois also( and very hot in the summer) and I have put several hundred thousand miles on engines(91 Ranger with 354K and my present 2007 Fusion with 241K and others) and have not experienced any of the issues you speak of. Long lasting engines, no varnish, and no sign of engine wear and all with M1 oils at 10K OCIs.


Here is a pic of my 2007 Fusion. Can't seem to show entire pic. Any help will be appreciated.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4260025/1

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: Berto] #5107478 05/17/19 07:26 AM
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Not trying to thread jack or anything, but just wondering if the "Groove" that can be seen in the cam lobes near the bottom of the pic from Berto's engine is normal, or if that is that considered to be wear on the cam? It's hard to tell from the picture, but even though the "Slightly neglected" engine is not as clean, it looks more like a discoloration than a groove in the lobes.






Originally Posted by Berto
If you don't mind DuckRyder, I can contribute to the "What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil" theme.

Engine is a 2.2 four-pot Z22SE, european iteration of the GM L61 ECOTEC, 246K km (153K miles) on the odo and still pulling strong. Mobil 1 5W50, 10K km (6K miles) OCIs:


[Linked Image]


For a comparison, here are pics of a "slightly neglected" L61 found around the web:


[Linked Image]


'07 Accord 2.4 - 135k - M1 5w30
'15 Avalon 3.5 - 95k - M1 AFE 0w20
'09 Corvette 6.2 - 13k - M1 5w30
'84 Biarritz Convertible 4.1 - 55k - Napa 10w30 Conventional
Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: DuckRyder] #5107494 05/17/19 07:40 AM
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Its a roller cam. May be some sliding wear. You want the roller to roll. seems pretty consistent from the ramps to over the nose.


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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: Patman] #5107499 05/17/19 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Patman
Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Our family experience over 12 cars run through the past decade and a half. Not pulled out of my ...uh .... hat lining.


You and your family are excessively hard on your vehicles. Perhaps you need to treat them a little better, and they'll treat you better too. You all need to change your driving habits.

Most of my Wifes engine problems were due to proven poor manufacturing or design given the TSB and recalls associated with her VIN.

I'm not commuting anymore so MY driving is less severe, though still "sporty". I was more of a transaxle killer in the past.

I guess premium faux synthetic oil cant fix everything.

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Re: The Civic @ 196,500 - What does your engine look like on Mobil Oil [Re: ARCOgraphite] #5108335 05/18/19 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ARCOgraphite
Most of my Wifes engine problems were due to proven poor manufacturing or design given the TSB and recalls associated with her VIN.

I'm not commuting anymore so MY driving is less severe, though still "sporty". I was more of a transaxle killer in the past.

I guess premium faux synthetic oil cant fix everything.

Well it certainly can't fix people.


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