Why automatic transmissions have less gears?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Apr 5, 2018
Messages
230
Location
Azerbaijan
Many car models which are available with both automatic and manual transmission, have automatic transmission with less gears?
Like, if a model has 4 speed auto, it will very likely have 5 speed manual.
Is it because more gears means less reliability ? Or More gears just mean more manufacturing cost ?
Regards.
 
Originally Posted by SirTanon
I haven't seen a car made with anything less than a 5- or 6-speed automatic in the past 10 years, maybe longer. Heck, even my 2010 Fusion came with a 6-speed.

The base model Corolla was offered with a 4 speed auto up until seemingly very recently (2016, I think?).
 
The real answer is the planetary gear set "count" and type.

A 10 speed automatic will require at least 4 planetary gearsets. A 3 or 4 speed automatic can use just two planetary gear sets. There is even a way to make a 4 speed automatic with just one planetary gearset. But it will have both inner and outer planet gears and two different sized sun gears inside the same assembly.

As you may guess, complex planet gearsets can be expensive.
 
Last edited:
As others have pointed out, the supposition really isn't true anymore. Manuals have 5 to 7 forward gears, automatics typically have between 5 and 10 forward speeds.

But, up until the early 2000s, it was true that most automatics had 4 speeds and most manuals had 5. In the 70s, most automatics had 3 speeds and most manuals had 4-5.

The reason an automatic can perform as well or better than a manual with fewer gears is the torque convertor. The convertor effectively has its own "gear" multiplication ratio and it depends on the output shaft speed... so at the "bottom" speed of each transmission gear (just as soon as that gear applies, when road speed in that gear is lowest) the torque convertor maximizes its torque multiplication and slip. As the road speed within that gear increases, the torque convertor "tightens" (slip decreases, torque multiplication decreases). So each forward gear is effectively ratio variable within its range. Torque convertors are wonderful gadgets. But as long as they're slipping and multiplying torque, they're also wasting a little power, so manufacturers added convertor lockup clutches so that (depending on how hard the driver is demanding acceleration) the convertor can completely lock up earlier or later within a gear range, and can also partially lock, reducing fluid pumping losses.
 
The new Corvettes come with either an 8 speed automatic or a 7 speed manual, and a lot of BMWs are the same way now too, so things are shifting (haha) the other way now.
 
Originally Posted by Cujet
The real answer is the planetary gear set "count" and type.

A 10 speed automatic will require at least 4 planetary gearsets. A 3 or 4 speed automatic can use just two planetary gear sets. There is even a way to make a 4 speed automatic with just one planetary gearset. But it will have both inner and outer planet gears and two different sized sun gears inside the same assembly.

As you may guess, complex planet gearsets can be expensive.


The 6R140's rear gearset uses 2 different size sun gears within the same assembly with 8 planets. It's about 400$ for the entire gearset from ford. That's how this transmission achieves 6 forward ratios with only 2 actual gearsets (forward planet set has only 1 sun gear with 4 small planets)
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted by NICAT
Many car models which are available with both automatic and manual transmission, have automatic transmission with less gears?
Like, if a model has 4 speed auto, it will very likely have 5 speed manual.

Modern auto transmissions have more gears than manual transmissions.
 
That's no longer true. For instance, the new Mustang has a 10-speed auto or a 6-speed manual. The auto both gets better MPG and has better performance.
 
Automatic transmissions rely on "Planetary Gear Sets" . More speeds = more Planetary Sets (not necessarily 1:1 and it depends if there are an odd or even number of shift speeds). Planetary sets were costly in the beginning. Advances in metallurgy and machining techniques have reduced the cost considerably thus, the number of speeds in automatic transmissions have increased over time.
 
They make 10 speed autos for cars now. You'll never see that many speeds in a manual unless you hop into a semi! I don't think there's any car out there that has less than 5 speeds in an auto now, and the number seems to keep growing because of it helping fuel economy allegedly.
 
Are these 8,9, and 10 speed transmissions as durable as the older versions? Don't the gears have to be smaller or narrower to fit in the same space as they did before?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top